tarheelhockey
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1) Who’s faulting Rantanen? He deservedly gets shit for how he carried himself, but he was within his rights to make his choice not to sign.
2) The Kuznetsov trade? What?
Rantanen vs Necas points race to end of season.
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1) Who’s faulting Rantanen? He deservedly gets shit for how he carried himself, but he was within his rights to make his choice not to sign.
2) The Kuznetsov trade? What?
Can go ahead and close this thread, nothing short of Necas winning a few cups will ever bring this back in his favor.
Avs got torched by a dumb f***ing trade.
Avs got torched by a dumb f***ing trade.
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Maybe don’t play him 26mins throughout the regular season and he has a bit more energy for moments like this
Avs used to run Mackinnon and Rantanen to the ground with their minutes
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For my own sanity.. and I am very happy for rants. Necas was third in team scoring. Tied with Makar. 5 points in 7 games. He definitely wasn't rants. Heck rants almost equalled his series total in third period. I get all that. But this whole necas disappears isn't backed by stats from the last two playoffs. His regular season and playoff totals are very similar. Only 2 forwards outscored him on the AVS. He tied Makar.
Congrats to rants and Dallas though. This story will become folklore.lol
Congrats to rants and Dallas though. This story will become folklore.lol
tarheelhockey
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Good point, but to be fair, he performed exactly the same way for Carolina in the playoffs and his big complaint was that he wanted more opportunities.
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I replied for the lazy part on that post
Makes you look lazier when you are a powerforward and get played like a top pair Dman
Cmon, that’s a classic putting lipstick on a pig.
For a big man, Necas is as soft as the stay puft marshmallow guy (which is a big issue in playoff hockey key) and was shut out 4 of the 7 games in the series, scoring only one goal.
He was not influential in the way Mikko was.
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Lot of Avs fans had no problems forgetting who Mikko was and saying Necas is already better
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Necas didn’t disappear is boosting him up whereas from my watch of the series he was a disappearing act.
The hardest hit he made in the series was when he lost his edge near the end of game 7 and went flying into the boards by himself.
Fact is, Necas is what he is:
a wonderful regular season skating guy, lovely in 3v3 when there is plenty of open ice but…..
when games get rougher, cough playoffs, he is soft as butter.
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Europeans basically grow up playing 3v3 even when its 5v5, with the bigger rinks. Some never learn out of it.
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It's an opinion not backed by fact. You're using your own personal eye test and hits.
For him to disappear his .ppg average would have to be much different from regular season. It isn't. As far as how many hits he laid? As many as he laid in regular season. He's not a hitter. But feel free to let me know if his hits per game went up or down. Not something I'm tracking as a Necas fan.lol
Last year his .ppg went up in playoffs. This year it went down a little. But in his last 2 seasons his regular season .ppg is pretty much identical to his playoff .ppg. He was third on his team in scoring for the playoffs this season. Top 3 in team scoring and playing over 20 a night isn't disappearing.
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Still he has amazing playoff stats. Only Mcdavid, Drai and Mackinnon have better ppg from all active players in Nhl. Rantanen has better ppg than Kucherov and Crosby for example. And almost 100 games is not small sampling.
And Necas you cant even mention in same phrase. He has 35 points on 66 playoff games, Rantanen has 113 points in 88 games. They are not on the same level, not even near.
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Rantanen is also one of five top 20 players in the 2020s who has increased his performance from regular season to playoffs:
McDavid: 1,69 --> 1,74
Draisaitl: 1,45 --> 1,51
Rantanen: 1,24 --> 1,29
Makar: 1,12 -- > 1,26
Landeskog: 1,08 --> 1,17
This season is following the same trend for Rantanen in Dallas: 0,9ppg --> 1,71ppg.
Top 20 ppg producers of 2020s (regular season and playoffs):
Only player that Im aware of who has less than ppg in regular season but has increasead his performance to over ppg in the playoffs is Bouchard but from the top 20 everyone else has had a weaker performance in the playoffs than those five. Current playoff stats are not included.
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No denying that. Would rather lose with Necas knowing he sucks and not expecting more from him though. Rantanen never had a dominant Game 7 for Colorado and that's a fact.
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I think people forget, in this discussion, how much Rantanen made MacKinnon's job easier and how much better Colorado's power play was with him. Safe to say that without this trade, the Avalanche would have won this series.
Lolwut, he has 2 goals and an assist in 3 game 7s, that's fantastic for a game where its incredibly tight.
To put it in perspective, Toronto's core four has 3 goals in 18 game 7s lmfao.
You guys are just too blessed with winning too much, your expectations don't mirror reality.
Among active players, his p/60 in the playoffs are 3rd, among all time players he is 7th all time in p/game.
You can't just be a "product of the two Mac/Maks" and put up historic numbers like that and game 7 showed that.
Sorry, to disagree but…… as a Canes season ticket holder since he arrived in the NHL, I’ve watched almost 500 Necas regular season and playoff games since 2019.
I know what he is and more importantly what he is not whereas perhaps you might have a “slight” bias.
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Out of active players Rantanen is second in G7 points and first in goals
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Your arguments are not based in any facts. Eye tests and opinions. Not actual numbers. My arguments are based on the last 2 seasons because I think he took a step and advanced in his career.
Last 2 playoffs
Last 2 regular seasons
I'd say that is very consistent production from regular season to playoffs over a 170 game sample size of his most recent play.
That's not disappearing. That is top 3 in scoring for his team.
For fun.. he was 8th in hits too for Avs!
His season average was:
So his hitting actually went up a lot. Tripled!
And yes I have a total bias but I am using stats here. I totally agree his first 5 years in the NHL were frustrating and up and down.
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The fact that only 2 other Avs forwards outscored him doesn’t mean that Necas had a good series. Like I don’t think it’s fair to say he was bad but was he impactful? 5 points (1G + 1 primary assist + 3 secondary assists).
The thing with Necas in the playoffs is that he was either bottled up and not very productive or when he put of ‘decent’ but not amazing stats, it was a lot of empty calories compared to the regular season.
He didn’t shake that reputation in the playoffs this year
Playing with McK and Makar, yet having O'Connor out score you in the playoffs is embarrassing. 1G just not good enough.
Those are facts but it's ok we will just have to disagree. He's your guy whereas to me, he is a hockey player that invites scrutiny.
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The 'O'Connor outscored you argument'. Here are all the guys O'Connor outscored. Also, save for Makar (who he tied), all the guys Necas outscored:
Impressed by Landeskog tbh. Man is not human. But yes, I'll agree to disagree.
