Rantanen vs Necas points race to end of season.

[flyfysher]

I think the Canes were better before Rantanen and then Stankoven. and it sure didnt work out imo.
Hall is UFA and 33 years old. he could have been had pretty cheap anyways.

Hall isn;t the problem.... the problem is paying up for a chance to win it all and giving up because they couldn't get something done that should have been mandatory before the deal was completed.

you bolster your lineup to give up a couple weeks later and downgrade, Id respect it more if they tried to win it all and lose Rantanen for nothing. he was off to a meh start in CAR but chances are he figures it out and prob gives u a better chance to win over Stankoven, nothing against Stankoven either but he's no Rantanen

Stankhoven is a lot cheaper than Rants as a third liner. I’ve read Stars fans want to put Rants with Johnston.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

6 weeks is not a cold streak, its a lack of fit.

And Rantanen quit on the team. I can only assume you didn’t watch those games, because if you had you wouldn’t be insisting that he would have figured it out soon.

well sucks for Carolina. entire deal backfired big timebut players like Rantanen usually figure it out. he's normally a difference maker in the playoffs. guess we will never know

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Stankhoven is a lot cheaper than Rants as a third liner. I’ve read Stars fans want to put Rants with Johnston.

I dunno why u would put Rantanen on the 3rd line anyways but yeah ur right he is alot cheaper

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Normally I’d agree but the fact is the Canes truly believed they had legit chance to sign a superstar player that’d potentially be even more costly on the open market, they’d be gaining Rants for the POs and going forward, they were losing Necas anyway b/c they knew he wouldn’t re-up with them so get value for him, and Drury and the picks going the other way made it a calculated risk. When you realize the Canes management viewed Rants as one of the key pieces to take their team to the next level by acquiring a proven SC elite player and the option to turn around and unload him for assets as they did if the gamble failed then it made sense. It was a riverboat gambler move and they did well with their return. But to call it a mistake is inaccurate. They managed to get value which was impressive to me at least. I think they dodged a bullet. Rants couldn’t drive a line so he was complimentary to MacKinnon. Paying your top line like that makes your team top heavy.

I guess getting something back is better than nothing. I still dont like it for Carolina. the way she goes I guess

 

[flyfysher]

I dunno why u would put Rantanen on the 3rd line anyways but yeah ur right he is alot cheaper

B/C he doesn’t have chemistry with Hintz. So you move him to 2nd or 3rd line. At least that’s what I read they want on the Stars forum.

 

[MBTendy]

I dunno why u would put Rantanen on the 3rd line anyways but yeah ur right he is alot cheaper

Because the Stars third line isn’t really a third line with Johnston centering it. Their top 3 lines get rolled out pretty evenly. Therefore his minutes wouldn’t really change all that much being on the “3rd line”.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Because the Stars third line isn’t really a third line with Johnston centering it. Their top 3 lines get rolled out pretty evenly. Therefore his minutes wouldn’t really change all that much being on the “3rd line”.

seems like alot of money to pay a guy to play on the 3rd line. who do you play over him? I guess what line hes on doesnt matter as long as hes getting between 15-20mins a night anyways

 

[flyfysher]

I guess getting something back is better than nothing. I still dont like it for Carolina. the way she goes I guess

To each their own. Rants refused to sign with the Canes. So either ride with him thru the POs knowing he won’t sign and you lose him for nothing and you lose the value you gained from trading Necas. Now the Stars are trying to get Rants going consistently which I think he eventually will. Why would the Canes go forward with Rants in the POs when they learned he isn’t a fit? Look at his play for them. Better to recoup assets in that scenario.

 

[landy]

All three teams apparently cant lose so do we have a rare win-win-win?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Hall was acquired for a 3rd..... seems pretty cheap to me so really whos better right now? Necas or Stankoven? the 1sts dont matter towards this years playoff run. seems like if u skipped the whole Rantanen deal you can get Hall still pretty easily

The Hall trade was a facilitation move based on Chicago taking 50% of Rantanen’s salary. If it were Hall straight up, it would have been a cap violation. You can’t pick that out as a separate transaction, it was inextricably tied to the other deal.

well sucks for Carolina. entire deal backfired big timebut players like Rantanen usually figure it out. he's normally a difference maker in the playoffs. guess we will never know

Again this ignores that Rantanen completely checked out. He wasn’t going to “figure out” not wanting to be there, certainly not in a month or two.

 

[MBTendy]

seems like alot of money to pay a guy to play on the 3rd line. who do you play over him? I guess what line hes on doesnt matter as long as hes getting between 15-20mins a night anyways

I just said the Stars roll all three lines evenly, and you’re fixated on labeling lines still.

The Stars have one of the best forward depth in the league and they have the ability to roll three scoring lines out every night. Whether Mikko is with Hintz, Duchene, or Johnston, he will be seeing the same amount of minutes.

 

[flyfysher]

Because the Stars third line isn’t really a third line with Johnston centering it. Their top 3 lines get rolled out pretty evenly. Therefore his minutes wouldn’t really change all that much being on the “3rd line”.

My question is about Stars cap structure. What does their cap structure look like? Do you plan to re-up Duchene? He’ll want term and $ as a 2C. I’m already hearing JRob will likely be gone. If they’re playing minutes like a first-line then they’ll want to be paid for it. Besides, I’m a D guy so if I was a Stars fan then I would want to upgrade from Lyubushkin, Ceci, Dumba and Bischel first.

 

[MBTendy]

My question is about Stars cap structure. What does their cap structure look like? Do you plan to re-up Duchene? He’ll want term and $ as a 2C. I’m already hearing JRob will likely be gone. If they’re playing minutes like a first-line then they’ll want to be paid for it. Besides, I’m a D guy so if I was a Stars fan then I would want to upgrade from Lyubushkin, Ceci, Dumba and Bischel first.

There’s a lot out there for what the Stars plan on doing, so who knows.

I do know the following (via writers, media members etc)

- Duchene is highly regarded within the Stars organization, and the feeling is apparently mutual with Duchene. Plan is to bring him back.
- Grandlund was acquired with the idea of re-signing him. This was before the Mikko deal so chances are they’ll part ways imo.
- More than likely Dumba is not on the roster next season.
- Marchment has also been rumored to be moved for cap flexibility. That would be an easy sell given his production and salary.
- JRob is obviously the most intriguing player in all of this. There’s smoke they may trade him for help on the back end (Right side), but who knows. I feel like that is the least likely out of everything I listed.
- Benn is staying and is waiting till all the moves necessary are made before coming terms on a Dallas with the Stars.


They probably won’t be as deep offensively next season and try to focus on the right side. So guys like Blumel will get a roster spot, and Bourque will probably see a more increased role due to both their contracts.

 

[flyfysher]

There’s a lot out there for what the Stars plan on doing, so who knows.

I do know the following (via writers, media members etc)

- Duchene is highly regarded within the Stars organization, and the feeling is apparently mutual with Duchene. Plan is to bring him back.
- Grandlund was acquired with the idea of re-signing him. This was before the Mikko deal so chances are they’ll part ways imo.
- More than likely Dumba is not on the roster next season.
- Marchment has also been rumored to be moved for cap flexibility. That would be an easy sell given his production and salary.
- JRob is obviously the most intriguing player in all of this. There’s smoke they may trade him for help on the back end (Right side), but who knows. I feel like that is the least likely out of everything I listed.
- Benn is staying and is waiting till all the moves necessary are made before coming terms on a Dallas with the Stars.


They probably won’t be as deep offensively next season and try to focus on the right side. So guys like Blumel will get a roster spot, and Bourque will probably see a more increased role due to both their contracts.

The cap increase will help. But you’re not going to be able to keep everyone. Then it becomes a matter of player value.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

To each their own. Rants refused to sign with the Canes. So either ride with him thru the POs knowing he won’t sign and you lose him for nothing and you lose the value you gained from trading Necas. Now the Stars are trying to get Rants going consistently which I think he eventually will. Why would the Canes go forward with Rants in the POs when they learned he isn’t a fit? Look at his play for them. Better to recoup assets in that scenario.

I dunno I guess with him giving up moving him was prob the best option. still dont like it though, was alot to pay given how Nacas has been

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I just said the Stars roll all three lines evenly, and you’re fixated on labeling lines still.

The Stars have one of the best forward depth in the league and they have the ability to roll three scoring lines out every night. Whether Mikko is with Hintz, Duchene, or Johnston, he will be seeing the same amount of minutes.

well yeah you see whether or not a team plays them evenly there's a 1st, 2nd and 3rd line. but dont ignore where I said it doesnt matter as long as he's getting 15-20mins a night.

Rants is on the 1st linethough

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

well sucks for Carolina. entire deal backfired big timebut players like Rantanen usually figure it out. he's normally a difference maker in the playoffs. guess we will never know

They've won 10 of their last 12 games, I think they're okay with how things worked out.

 

[flyfysher]

I dunno I guess with him giving up moving him was prob the best option. still dont like it though, was alot to pay given how Nacas has been

Yeah, my gut reaction when I first heard the Canes were shopping him I was like WTH. However, the moves have to be looked at in context from each team’s perspective. Everyone agrees the Stars got an elite W with a deadly shot. If he works out, which he should, then Stars are scary.

Necas has been good. Part of it is who Necas is playing with and how he fits in the system. Players offensive production usually goes up when they come to the Avs. Necas has reinvigorated the PP.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

They've won 10 of their last 12 games, I think they're okay with how things worked out.

they had a team capable of doing that before they made any moves anyways. but hey all what matters is if the team and fans are happy

 

[Blueline Bomber]

they had a team capable of doing that before they made any moves anyways. but hey all what matters is if the team and fans are happy

The Canes were essentially a .500 team from the end of November until the trade deadline.

13-11-2 from the end of November until the Rantanen deal,
7-6-1 from the Rantanen deal until the deadline.
7-0-2 since the deadline

They may have been capable of winning 10 of 12 before making any moves, but they certainly didn’t play like it.

 

[Zapp]

As for Miro, I’d be wigged out if I was a Stars fan and he hasn’t begun skating.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

well yeah you see whether or not a team plays them evenly there's a 1st, 2nd and 3rd line. but dont ignore where I said it doesnt matter as long as he's getting 15-20mins a night.

Rants is on the 1st linethough

Okay, well Johnston is line 1 then since he leads TOI for forwards right?

Your takes are horrid.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Okay, well Johnston is line 1 then since he leads TOI for forwards right?

Your takes are horrid.

its not a take, literally what puckpedia and dailyfaceoffs are showing as the current lineups.

is it stupid to play your top players atleast 15-20mins a night?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Okay, well Johnston is line 1 then since he leads TOI for forwards right?

Your takes are horrid.

besides I dont even know why your giving me shit. I never said anything about Dallas making any mistakes. they did extremely well

 

[MrHeiskanen]

its not a take, literally what puckpedia and dailyfaceoffs are showing as the current lineups.

is it stupid to play your top players atleast 15-20mins a night?

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But what order Puckpedia puts players on peice of paper makes no difference, right?

Benn - Johnston - Bourque
Robertson - Hintz - Rantanen
Marchment - Duchene - Granlund

There now Johnston is on the 1st line because I put it on the internet. The only thing that matters is minutes not magical line you are on, on some fan website.