Value of: Rantanen to STL

[StlBigFly]

If you don’t want to debate then what are we even doing here?

I mean like in this situation you’d be arguing with a stubborn brick wall I don’t think I could be persuaded that Rantanen will get to ufa.

He’ll sign or sign and trade or trade and sign. Whatever. No rent. No ufa. He’s too valuable.

So why would St. Louis give up the world for a guy who can walk in a few months?

If the logic behind the question is “Rantanen won’t agree to terms with Colorado”, why is the follow-up then “but for this exercise he will do exactly that after two months in St. Louis”?

St. Louis has a lot of nice pieces. Colorado isn’t trading Rantanen there. Save your pieces and take a stab in free agency if he makes it that far. That’s the avenue.

At the end it mentions specifically this is not a rental - would be a deal where stl and Rantanen negotiated a new contract in conjunction with the trade and therefore the trade would be valued as a full hockey trade, not a rental.

I think stl would have to move Kyrou there, then overpay with a top shelf prospect or two or three, or four…and probably some futures. Or Buchnevich. Or somehow 8 mil on the books going the other way. This is where I stop because I don’t know what Colorado would want, but if they wanted the stuff Stl has then they’d get a looot of stuff. We got some good stuff. Snuggeruds and dvorksys and Stenbergs, stancls, jechos. All sorts of things. Get ~8 mil of contracts from stls depth chart then Pick two prospects, no restrictions, then demand a first. That’s what it would cost probs.

 

[BKarchitect]

I mean like in this situation you’d be arguing with a stubborn brick wall I don’t think I could be persuaded that Rantanen will get to ufa.

He’ll sign or sign and trade or trade and sign. Whatever. No rent. No ufa. He’s too valuable.



At the end it mentions specifically this is not a rental - would be a deal where stl and Rantanen negotiated a new contract in conjunction with the trade and therefore the trade would be valued as a full hockey trade, not a rental.

I think stl would have to move Kyrou there, then overpay with a top shelf prospect or two or three, or four…and probably some futures. Or Buchnevich. Or somehow 8 mil on the books going the other way. This is where I stop because I don’t know what Colorado would want, but if they wanted the stuff Stl has then they’d get a looot of stuff.

But why would Rantanen sign on with St. Louis sight unseen? I mean you are making hypotheticals up to create this scenario. Props for admitting it would take a lot but…if we are making things up to fit a scenario, my counter would be in my scenario, Robert Thomas is unhappy in St. Louis and would prefer to be in Denver. So maybe there is a deal after all…

 

[StlBigFly]

But why would Rantanen sign on with St. Louis sight unseen? I mean you are making hypotheticals up to create this scenario. Props for admitting it would take a lot but…if we are making things up to fit a scenario, my counter would be in my scenario, Robert Thomas is unhappy in St. Louis and would prefer to be in Denver. So maybe there is a deal after all…

Every value of and proposal here is people making up hypotheticals.

I’d talk about Robert Thomas in the deal if I had a plan to deal with what that means for moving him. That disrupts us a lot so I don’t think I see it happening but I’d consider it. MacKinnon Thomas would be so elite.

It’s entirely possible Thomas gets upset and demands a trade. That’s a real life thing that happens. I don’t see any evidence for it right now but I do see media articles saying that Colorado and Rantanen are not there yet on his next deal.

 

[AvsGuy]

Why would you start a thread with this little to say? You're not trying to start a debate... ok... you're not suggesting the Avs should or will move on from Rantanen... ok... you're saying STL has the pieces to make a move, but you haven't suggested whom or what or even made a trade proposal

Why were any of us supposed to read this?

 

[StlBigFly]

Why would you start a thread with this little to say? You're not trying to start a debate... ok... you're not suggesting the Avs should or will move on from Rantanen... ok... you're saying STL has the pieces to make a move, but you haven't suggested whom or what or even made a trade proposal

Why were any of us supposed to read this?

There’s literally a question in a section that says question.

If you don’t want to guess at what the deal could look like - I was hoping an avs fan would say:

Man I’d hate to trade him but Buchnevich, Bolduc, Dvorsky and Stancl and a 1st is what I want.

Or whatever man what do you all want from me: I literally asked what the value of a trade is on a hockey fan site with a topic “value of” then asked what does the trade look like of a pending ufa and you all are giving me the most negative vibes I think I’ve ever felt in the internet.

Wild stuff.

Colorado could want a cap structure with 2 high paid stars then 4-5 core players then a deep bottom 6 and bottom pairing as opposed to 3 stars and less at the bottom. Some other teams have shown that downsides of top heaviness are real.

 

[stl76]

Weird thread. At least it’s stayed mostly cordial so far?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Do you guys typically post negative stuff with no content?

When I see something I don’t like I just click on then next one. It seems silly to like…spend the time to flame some stranger. Speculating about an expiring ufa is fair game imo.

That's not flaming

 

[JoeSakic13]

Adding another 20 goal scorer to St. Louis sounds like their fanbase’s dream.

 

[Coffee]

1)We need a 2C and defense not a winger.
2) Col will want atleast a third round pick for him. Maybe even a second.

There’s probably only person in the world who has a shot at converting Rantanen to a full time Center successfully, and that’s Jim Montgomery

 

[PocketNines]

this is the kind of energy that is restless for hypothetical tinkering's sake and you run into a wall when you try to get everyone to participate in it

what is needed very specifically at this exact juncture among Blues fans is patience, not restlessness. Restlessness is precisely how we're going to F it up

 

[StlBigFly]

That's not flaming

criticsm is healthy and needed for any debate.

Criticism involves identifying flaws in an argument.

Flaming in posting an insult with the intent to be negative.

“I wish I had stopped reading after the first sebtence” is an insult meant to be negative. It is pure flaming. It is not criticism. It is embarrassing the dude didn’t delete it. I’m glad ive moved past the ability to be like that.

 

[Blanick]

Oh man, as much as I would love to have Rantanen on the Blues there is just no way Colorado trades him to an in division team. Personally, I don't see them trading him at all. If Rantanen ends up somewhere else next year it's because he walks as a UFA. After stabilizing their goaltending they are looking like they could be a contender again this year. As a contender you don't trade away a top player, even if their is chance of losing them in the offseason, you go for another Cup.

 

[Avs2022]

I wish I'd stopped reading after the first sentence.

I stopped reading after "gigantic self fills the hole".

 

[StlBigFly]

Imma retire from this thread. Unreal experience of negativity.

Here’s a final thought:

From a cap perspective:

Stl has a need for a high end star and Colorado has potentially too many of them. Stl has all sorts of stuff they could offer.

I’d guess this trade has a teeny tiny chance at happening but I’ve seen wilder things. I’m not able to guess what the cost would be and was hoping some random people would guess but hey, not every shot goes in.

Some of y’all need to think about yourselves and consider what improvement looks like. You’ll thank me if you do. Life is better on the other side.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Am I blind or am I not seeing an actual offer?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Aside from the extreme unlikelihood that Colorado trades Rantanen to St Louis, this thread is all premise and zero substance. The only thing mentioned was Kyrou.

 

[Hennessy]

It takes guts to shame people for pointing out your thread's inadequacies.

And I've seen flaming and negativity. Hell, I've been warned for it. This thread has been pretty vanilla. Mostly people are confused as to what the thread is asking/proposing as you didn't clarify. There was no foundation to start the discussion.

It's a weak thread premise. It happens. It'll probably be locked soon. Not because of any negativity, but because it's spinning its wheels.

 

[MissouriMook]

So why would St. Louis give up the world for a guy who can walk in a few months?

If the logic behind the question is “Rantanen won’t agree to terms with Colorado”, why is the follow-up then “but for this exercise he will do exactly that immediately after landing at the airport in St. Louis”?

St. Louis has a lot of nice pieces. Colorado isn’t trading Rantanen there. Save your pieces and take a stab in free agency if he makes it that far. That’s the avenue.

 

[Linds]

I don't think the Blues have the pieces to trade for Rants. Avs don't want futures. They would want a hockey trade.

 

[lionsDen]

Speculation is fine, but to not even make an offer?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

8 years ago:

0 is the number of people who predicted Colorado would trade their 1C to Nashville.

And everybody was right since Colorado traded Duchene to Ottawa, not Nashville...

Speculation is fine, but to not even make an offer?

Bro was just waffling.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Rantanen with extension for Thomas with retention and Parayko with retention.

Why either team does this? I donno. But it would probably piss people off. So it's got that going for it.

 

[PocketNines]

I am just having a difficult time understanding why at the exact moment in the franchise's history when it has had high end shooting skill in several imminent forward prospects ... that we decide we would just lust for an elite shooter who is a core piece from our rival. It's not negative to wonder that.

There has to be a case besides "I decided to fantasize about getting X player, let's collectively agree to work on completing an exercise together" because you're never going to get rivals to agree to do that here.

 

[Dr Amazing]

Colorado owns St. Louis.

 

[Puckstop40]

To Colorado:

Binnington and a 1st

The Dize also has to become an Avalanche fan


To Stl:

Rantanen