LOFIN
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I know Toronto loves to overpay their stars, but we live in a world where Nylander is making 11.5M
Rumor: Rantanen Extension is Close???
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I'm betting they want him at something starting in the 10s, and he wants 12s. If he wanted high 11s, and Avs wanted low 11s it would be done.
f*** them, and their flop artists.
expatriatedtexan
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Okay...hear me out.
Let's play the short con.
Perform a sign and trade with Mikko for Necas+. Ensure Mikko keeps the Avs on his list of teams to be traded too. He just needs to suck next season so bad that the Canes trade him back to us with retention to equal out salaries as we ship Necas back along with a first round draft pick and Callum Ritchie.
Let's play the short con.
Perform a sign and trade with Mikko for Necas+. Ensure Mikko keeps the Avs on his list of teams to be traded too. He just needs to suck next season so bad that the Canes trade him back to us with retention to equal out salaries as we ship Necas back along with a first round draft pick and Callum Ritchie.
If Mikko sucks, they can send him back with a 1st rounder for Necas lol.
Bender
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With Calgary? He's getting the minimum - just like Burnaby Joe did with the canooks.
expatriatedtexan
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Joe stuck his dick skinner in the operating end of a snowblower in order to avoid playing for the Avs after his back healed.
Imagine what he would have done to avoid playing for Vancouver? We would not have a third cup today as he'd have been dead a long time ago.
MarkT
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I don't think you're a heretic but these discussions already took place a long-time ago so many of us just don't want to get back into it.
Personally, I am and have always been on the side that IF Mikko doesn't want to accept a deal that is reasonable for the quality of WINGER that he is, that the Avs should trade him and get the best possible package back. (and NO that package would NOT include only picks and prospects or as A LOT of doomsayers seem to suggest : NOTHING)
I suggested in May that if they can't come to terms LAST summer on a deal that they should move him for a package that includes Necas+.
Rumor: - 2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Thread: Post Deadline
In all seriousness that is cheap for Crouse. He'd plug in as crease crasher on the power play that we'll be missing with Nuke and Lando and he has good speed. I think he would be a 30 goal man here. Trade Moose to the Mormons for Crouse + 2024 1st + Prospect (whoever Henchy says is worth the...forums.hfboards.com
There is one massive problem with the Rantanen situation and I'm pretty sure that Mikko's camp are also quite aware of this : if they can't come to an agreement and he walks, the UFA wingers that would be a 'consolation prize' that would be available this summer coming up are slim pickings to say the least!!
1) Marner
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2) Ehlers
Then a bunch of guys who just wouldn't be worth it like Duchene.
Keep in mind that it's quite possible that Marner and Ehlers both re-sign with their respective clubs as well... so then what ? You took Mikko down to the wire in a negotiation but if Marner isn't there and even a rather large downgrade of Ehlers isn't even there - then what the f*** are you going to do??? Does C-Mac really want to get into that kind of situation where he's seemingly backed into a corner and will need to fork-over Draisaitl money to a winger??
For me, that's why I believe that the odds that a trade goes down are higher than people might think for that exact reason. The whole 'we'll use him as our own rental' doesn't hold nearly as much weight when you realize that you have an extra $9M+ in cap space but need to potentially trade multiple 1st + your best prospects to even just maintain what you had.
So I am hopeful that C-Mac sets a date where they need to get a deal in place or else they need to make a move. I didn't mind when they went down to the wire with Landeskog because I was fairly certain they'd get it done but I believe this is a different situation. Mikko has already won the cup and seems really dug-in on what he and his agent feel they are worth.
I was starting to feel like a heretic again (since my days of wanting to trade Barrie - where are those people attacking me for that idea now, by the way lol), but now I have lots of likes on my posts so I guess I'm not the only one thinking this way.
You've explained very well while letting him walk is not a good idea. What do you think about the idea of doing a sign and trade after the season? Do you think we could actually get something good for him in that case? The Canes would want him for sure. NJ too probably, and maybe the Rangers.
GoNordiquesGo
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Anyone has tried to dissect this information already ?
Before last game, Rantanen has played a number of games mostly on the scond line with Mitts and Colton (and Mack played with Val/Lehk).
Rantanen is on something like 13-14 games point streak, with about 20 points. That means he has been producing in those games where he's mostly not playing with Mack. But he still played with him on the PP and he still played with him during those games, as Bednard put them together at the end of periods, after PK, etc...
Anyone tried to determine how much of Mikko's production in that point streak came from that 2nd line vs how much cam form the PP and the time reunited with Mack ?
Before last game, Rantanen has played a number of games mostly on the scond line with Mitts and Colton (and Mack played with Val/Lehk).
Rantanen is on something like 13-14 games point streak, with about 20 points. That means he has been producing in those games where he's mostly not playing with Mack. But he still played with him on the PP and he still played with him during those games, as Bednard put them together at the end of periods, after PK, etc...
Anyone tried to determine how much of Mikko's production in that point streak came from that 2nd line vs how much cam form the PP and the time reunited with Mack ?
Bender
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I don't think we'd get much if it was after the season. I think teams at that point, would just pay the mid round pick to sign him to a 7 year contract, rather than pay more to get that 8th year and bring the AAV down. Kinda like Tampa Bay did when they traded a 3rd to get Guentzel's rights and then just signed him.
I think at that point, while teams always wanna bring the AAV down, they aren't exactly sad about not being able to have him at that price at age 37. The old dave nonis mindset of "I'm not worried about Years 7 & 8" is very much still something that a lot of GM believe in.
For me, the odds that the Avs re-sign Rantanen are like 90% that he's re-signed against 10% that he's traded or walks away. I think it's also important to remember that it's ALL about what Rantanen wants because IF he doesn't want to re-sign and absolutely wants to test free agency, there is nothing much the Avs can do about it.
That's why I'm so adamant about C-Mac finding out where they are at and seeing if there is something that can be done BEFORE the trade deadline because having #96 walk-away in the off-season with potentially no one to fill-in that gap is a much worse scenario than moving him and getting maybe a downgrade but a player+ that can still help the team.
It's slow at work today, I already started crunching the numbers because I'm genuinely curious.
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Most recent game first:
vs Sabres: PP goal
vs Jets: Empty net goal
vs Utah: Empty net goal
vs Kraken: PP assist + assist on Kiviranta's goal (line change?)
vs Ducks: PP assist + empty net assist
vs Sharks: PP goal
and that's it.
Draw your own conclusion.
Jasenr
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I get the idea what you are saying but if Cmac starts to test the waters it needs to be clear Mikko wont sign with Avs or price/term too steep.
I know they are professionals but you real wanna downgrade a core peace on cup window and think it doesnt have an effect on team? They melted after Val was suspended.
Maybe its other story if the locker room knows Mikkos is gonna go away..
Bender
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Like I said, for me - going through the playoffs and then taking the chance that you lose him for nothing AND cannot even find a decent UFA to even come close to replacing him - shouldn't be an option.
This should have been done during the summer when he has 1 year left on his contract... much easier to move pieces around.
So obviously I don't necessarily want a downgrade but I'd probably prefer a downgrade to not having him at all next year or having nothing in return.
Jasenr
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From last Buffalo game to last nights Buffalo game which is 14 games the 2nd line has scored at 5v5 2 times. In wins Against Detroid and New Jersey. Val and Lehky both scored once. So whatever Bednar is doing with that line just isnt creating anything, its so bad.
Before Val got injured against Jets with 2nd line being Druin-Colton-Rants it actually looked decent playwise, but we cant have nice things cant we. Now were back to Casey centering it and its bad.
Atleast Mikko is scoring somewhere else to still be in top3 in league points even though the 2nd line was garbage.
Bender
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Did you watch the game last night ? That was Mittelstadt's best game in a long, long time.
Jasenr
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Yes I watched it (Have watched all of them). I was mainly referring to the argument of Mikko not scoring in the second line. No-one basically scored in that line for a long strech of games with Casey centering it and having really tough time.
Maybe he finally realized he must be better after Bednar demoted him to the 4th line. He did score after that which is great. I also hope the second line starts producing with Casey back centering it after Val got injured.
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Sooooooo you are saying we are close?My prediction is that Mikko signs a contract sometime in 2025
SirLoinOfCloth
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Pretty sure CMac didn't sign him or trade him so that HFAvs would have something to discuss all season
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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If only Rants was as attached to his number as Crosby is to his, would’ve either signed him to 9.6 AAV or 8x12
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I didn't watch it (only listened to radio broadcast) and saw a lot of people shitting on Mitts in our game thread. Then I looked at the advanced stats and according to them, he played basically a perfect game: xGF 0.64 and xGA 0.03, meaning when he was on the ice the other team pretty much had no chances to score. Unless I'm somehow mistaken about what the stats mean.
forsbergavs32
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I like Mitts a lot, and did he have a better game than hes had in awhile. I won’t even pretend to understand fancy stats but personally from the eye test his game didn’t look perfect. He was still losing a lot of puck battles and still looked off early on. He’s hopefully snapping out of his funk some though, there were good things he did later in the game.
