Kegs
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Rantanan vs Necas points race to end of season.
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Czechboy
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So this is actually a thing.lol
Rants has 13 Empty net points and leads the league.
Necas has 1 Empty net point all season
So the difference is 12 points
They played the same amount of games before being traded.
and
so a 9 point difference
So, taking away empty net points
Necas has 54 points
Rants has 51 points
Sidenote; I think I am the victim of some ongoing HF debate on empty net points that I am clearly oblivious too.
Jixer19
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So not to go off topic too much on this thread but wanted to answer you on this. I guess last season Kuch was dismissed by people on these boards (some being Avs fans) for the hart because of his empty net points. Now this season, Rants and MacK were getting them, so people on these boards flipped the script. (This is what I know, as I don't frequent the boards, let alone all the different sections as much as I probably should as a hockey fan)
a mangy Meowth
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It was part of the argument for MacKinnon to win the hart over Kucherov (who had a bunch of EN points that won him the art ross).
So, this year, people have been trying to dunk on Avs fans because MacK/Rantanen had a ton of them so far lol
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Thank you and I knew it!
This is PDO for the Nucks
PP merchants for RNH, Hyman and Bouch
and now
Empty net points.lol
FWIW.. I don't subscribe to Empty net points, PP merchants or PDO. The only one 2 I do believe in are 'small sample sizes' and 'unsustainable shooting percentage'.
To get those empty netters you have to be trusted to be on the ice in the final minute.
To get that PP merchant status you need to be elite and one of the 4 best scoring forwards or the best scoring Dman to 'benefit' from that
I don't know enough about PDO but I'm convinced my fellow Oiler fans invented it to piss off Nucks fans.lol
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benfranklin
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It was part of the HF argument thinking the Kucherov/MacKinnon vote would be close so EN's were the difference, right? In reality it was a dominating vote in MacKinnon's favor from the actual voters.
Tyson Barrie was on pace for 72 points running McDavid's PP and nearly out of the league the next season. Its a real thing.
smakki
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Necas played more normal minutes for him tonight. Rantanen propably will never play 25+ in Carolina. 22+ will be rare too. On regular season.
For example Aho has played only once over 25 mins average TOI about 20 mins. Rantanen at Colorado played 25+ many times and averages 22+.
So we can assume Rantanen TOI decreases 2-3 mins and Necas's (TOI AVG 17mins) minutes increase 3-5 mins. Thats a huge difference.
Rantanen has to be very efficient to keep up with Necas.
Less playing time isn't only bad thing, for playoffs he will be more rested than ever, ready to carry his team.
Necas on the other hand might hit a wall at some point or get injured more easily because of this.
For example Aho has played only once over 25 mins average TOI about 20 mins. Rantanen at Colorado played 25+ many times and averages 22+.
So we can assume Rantanen TOI decreases 2-3 mins and Necas's (TOI AVG 17mins) minutes increase 3-5 mins. Thats a huge difference.
Rantanen has to be very efficient to keep up with Necas.
Less playing time isn't only bad thing, for playoffs he will be more rested than ever, ready to carry his team.
Necas on the other hand might hit a wall at some point or get injured more easily because of this.
Schennanigans
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It’s just an unfair comparison if you’re playing without MacKinnon. He’s arguably the best player in the game today and he’d increase anyone’s production playing with him. It will be interesting to see how rant performs without him.
But isn't Necas a better player if he scores more for Colorado then Rantanen scores for Carolina? Rants doesn't exactly have a great defensive repertoire and isn't so great as a puck carrier.
tarheelhockey
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Not if he scores those points by just handing off pucks to MacKinnon or Makar. That’s the 2022 Elias Lindholm special, Canes have already lived through all of these arguments.
Zirakzigil
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Doing a pretty big disservice to Lindholm considering he scored 42 goals that year and had more goals than assists.
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GettingYourMoms
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Empty net points are worth something so I wouldn't entirely remove them, though it's true that they shouldn't be weighed as highly as points against a goaltender.
I wonder if there's a model to determine how useful the average empty net goal is in comparison to the average non-empty net goal. In fact, it might be possible to create a model that gives goals an importance rating case-by-case rather than just counting them as integers. That would be interesting to see, too.
Calderon
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What's with the blatant and consistent misspelling? It's Rantanen. NEN is the most common Finnish surname suffix. N-E-N, never with any other vowel than E in the middle. You're a long time poster and there've been many "nens" along with Rantanen in the league over the years. You see the name all the time, there's no umlauts or stresses etc. You even reply to a message where it's spelled correctly.
In the same way I can't help but wonder how people misspell surnames of house hold NHL players/legends such as Brodeur ("Broduer") and Fleury ("Fluery"). And stating a typo doesn't cut it: I've never seen those names misspelled any other way - no Bordeur, Brudoeur, Felury, Fleuyr etc. It's systematic. Systematic laziness and disrespect.
In the NBA (the lone Finnish player) Markkanen gets misspelled Markannen or Markkenen frequently. It's wild...
It's not a huge deal but I just had enough when the player in question is known well enough, the poster is a long-timer, it's blatant etc.
dogbazinho
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As a Canes fan it would not be surprising for Necas to win this easily. He could be a point machine in a more open system.
Calderon
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I was aware Mack and Rantanen have been effective with the opposing team's goalie out this season but admittedly those numbers and the discrepancy are just huge. It's interesting to see how the rest of the season unfolds for both Rants and Necas for sure, especially if Rants can't keep a ppg in the Cane's system and with their roster. At the same time Necas' career bests are still 71 points and sub .90 ppg. Hopefully the Avs won't shoot themselves in the foot if they offer Necas a huge contract before next season. As for Rantanen and Canes, will be weird if they sign him long term for 13,5+ M and he only scores barely a ppg, that'd be crazy. Maybe it's just that there hasn't been a player of his stature and offensive output to play under Brind'Amour yet.
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Well in his second game with the Avs, Necas already showed great chemistry building with Mack, Makar & co. The powerplay was night and day better then what it had been lately with Rants. Marty's speed and urgency is a shot of energy to the already fast Avs brand of hockey. At first I was shocked about the trade, but two games in I think Necas in Colorado can for sure outperform Rantanen in Carolina. Will definitely be following this development closely as a long time fan of Mikko and a new fan of Marty. He's quickly winning a lot of us Avs followers over.
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