Ranking Dubas' worst transactions - #5

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What was Dubas' worst transaction?

  • Matthews contract

    Votes: 7 13.7%
  • Mrazek contract

    Votes: 9 17.6%
  • Marchment trade

    Votes: 3 5.9%
  • Marleau trade

    Votes: 18 35.3%
  • Murray trade

    Votes: 7 13.7%
  • Protecting Holl over McCann

    Votes: 5 9.8%
  • Ritchie contract

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • ROR+Acciari trade

    Votes: 2 3.9%
  • McCabe+Lafferty trade

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .
Marleau is on Lou but the stick boy gives up a 1st to dump Marleau and Canes turn it into Seth Jarvis. Two wrongs do not make a right. This is what happens when you hire a boy to do a man's job.

The Jarvis' and Amirovs are what this team is lacking. Knies will have to do.
 
Admittedly a bit of hindsight with the Marchment trade. Marchment isn't a great skater and didn't look that great auditioning with the big team. He however looked to be pushing for NHL time in the near future dominating in the AHL and his style of game was just what the doctored ordered for the NHL team at the time.
 
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Good point about Marleau being on Lou. However, Dubas dumped that 1st rounder to keep Kap and Mango which was 2 straight misses just to have both of those guys having a bad year. That one hurts
 
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Marleau is on Lou but the stick boy gives up a 1st to dump Marleau and Canes turn it into Seth Jarvis. Two wrongs do not make a right. This is what happens when you hire a boy to do a man's job.

The Jarvis' and Amirovs are what this team is lacking. Knies will have to do.

In the end, multiple times Dubas appeared to overpay to jettison contracts and take an underpayment to take on risk.
 
Admittedly a bit of hindsight with the Marchment trade. Marchment isn't a great skater and didn't look that great auditioning with the big team. He however looked to be pushing for NHL time in the near future dominating in the AHL and his style of game was just what the doctored ordered for the NHL team at the time.
Dubas just had to have Malgin. Be thankful Florida did not ask for a 1st.
 
In the end, multiple times Dubas appeared to overpay to jettison contracts and take an underpayment to take on risk.
Yes, my biggest issue with the Marleau trade was that we seemed to pay a lot more than other teams did to move out his salary. I don't recall any team giving up a 13th overall pick just to move out 1 year of a bad deal. Add on that we did so to keep 2 guys who didn't last 2 years with the team...tough.

I am also a Jarvis superfan so I hate it a bit more for that.
 
Marleau is on Lou but the stick boy gives up a 1st to dump Marleau and Canes turn it into Seth Jarvis. Two wrongs do not make a right. This is what happens when you hire a boy to do a man's job.

The Jarvis' and Amirovs are what this team is lacking. Knies will have to do.
Not that he would have been particularly useful, but he wouldn't have had to trade him if he hadn't signed Tavares.

Look what Lou did with Komarov - just made that last year disappear at absolutely no cost.
 
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Yes, my biggest issue with the Marleau trade was that we seemed to pay a lot more than other teams did to move out his salary. I don't recall any team giving up a 13th overall pick just to move out 1 year of a bad deal.
We didn't move the 13th overall. We moved an undetermined 1st, which would have been a late 1st if the rules of draft order hadn't been changed post-trade due to the pandemic. And a 1st for 6.25m in dead cap was not abnormal. Heck, our new GM traded a 1st to dump a player making a similar amount just last year, and he was somebody who still held some value and played for them, unlike the complete dead cap of Marleau. The consequences of the Lou signing are on Lou anyway.
 
Marleau is on Lou but the stick boy gives up a 1st to dump Marleau and Canes turn it into Seth Jarvis. Two wrongs do not make a right. This is what happens when you hire a boy to do a man's job.

The Jarvis' and Amirovs are what this team is lacking. Knies will have to do.

The Marleau disposal was a complicated trade that also involved signing Johnsson and Kapanen to nearly the same cap hit. Then dumping both a year later. So you have to look at that whole mess as a Lou and Dubas collaboration in the worst possible way.
 
The Marleau disposal was a complicated trade that also involved signing Johnsson and Kapanen to nearly the same cap hit. Then dumping both a year later.
Moving both a year later at positive value due to a pandemic unexpectedly stagnating the cap**
 
Admittedly a bit of hindsight with the Marchment trade. Marchment isn't a great skater and didn't look that great auditioning with the big team. He however looked to be pushing for NHL time in the near future dominating in the AHL and his style of game was just what the doctored ordered for the NHL team at the time.

he is now a mid-tier 3rd liner who disappears in the playoffs and who probably would be playing 4th line for us or not at all.

In the end, multiple times Dubas appeared to overpay to jettison contracts and take an underpayment to take on risk.

If there is one thing everyone should be happy about it is that Dubas owns his mistakes and will try to correct them.

It sucks he makes the mistakes in the first place and it costs us, I think he should rightfully be critiqued for those, but every GM makes mistakes...

He is just one of the few GMs who will cut the bad signing loose instead of riding it out and wasting his core's best years.
 
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he is now a mid-tier 3rd liner who disappears in the playoffs and who probably would be playing 4th line for us or not at all.
The funniest part about the whole we should have played him argument is that even a worse Florida team who acquired him sent him straight down to the AHL.
 
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In the end, multiple times Dubas appeared to overpay to jettison contracts and take an underpayment to take on risk.

Had to give up firsts to remove Marleau and Mrazek deals off our cap but could only manage to extract a 3rd and 7th out of Ottawa for Murray. Christ. And yes yes Mrazek we only lost 13 spots or whatever the f*** it was, doesn’t mean what we received for taking Murray was insubstantial.
 
Had to give up firsts to remove Marleau and Mrazek deals off our cap but could only manage to extract a 3rd and 7th out of Ottawa for Murray. Christ. And yes yes Mrazek we only lost 13 spots or whatever the f*** it was, doesn’t mean what we received for taking Murray was insubstantial.
When you dump a contract, you're paying for the difference between a player's current value and their existing contract. Mrazek and Murray still held value, even if it was less than their existing contract, which is why they cost less to move. Marleau was 6.25m in completely dead cap. That's why he cost more.
 
A mismanaged rebuild.

Carolina was in the similar boat as the Leafs and they somehow managed to build a strong forward group, a really deep defensive core, and they’ve drafted a boatload of players over the past 5 yrs.
 
A mismanaged rebuild.

Carolina was in the similar boat as the Leafs and they somehow managed to build a strong forward group, a really deep defensive core, and they’ve drafted a boatload of players over the past 5 yrs.
Their GM does not have his head in the clouds.
 
The Marleau disposal was a complicated trade that also involved signing Johnsson and Kapanen to nearly the same cap hit. Then dumping both a year later. So you have to look at that whole mess as a Lou and Dubas collaboration in the worst possible way.
Probably the most diplomatic comment about the situation.
 
When you dump a contract, you're paying for the difference between a player's current value and their existing contract. Mrazek and Murray still held value, even if it was less than their existing contract, which is why they cost less to move. Marleau was 6.25m in completely dead cap. That's why he cost more.
Murray has zero value, none, nada. How did Mrazek do after the Leafs?
 
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Moving both a year later at positive value due to a pandemic unexpectedly stagnating the cap**

Imagine if he moved off Kapanen and Johnsson a year early at even more positive value, played out Marleau’s contract and kept the Seth Jarvis pick.

As Dubas himself said "On May 19th, I was fired from my job as the General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs... It was the first time I've been fired," said Dubas. "As Dr. Riggs just said, embrace failure and we've had a lot of failure during my time with the Leafs."
 
Looks like I’m alone in my hate for Holl being protected rather than protecting McCann who would’ve been a great addition up front and with incredible speed to burn
 
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Murray has zero value, none, nada.
Murray had player value, even if he didn't have trade value because his cap hit exceeded his player value. That difference is what you're paying for. Marleau was 6.25m in completely dead cap. You're paying for all of it.
Imagine if he moved off Kapanen and Johnsson a year early at even more positive value, played out Marleau’s contract and kept the Seth Jarvis pick.
You don't know what they would have returned the year before. Weren't you the one so adamant about not speaking about things we don't know? And then are we just giving up on the year, or using those assets to patch the holes we just made? It's funny how so many people are willing to sacrifice our top tier players in the pursuit of depth, and yet are so quick to sacrifice two young depth pieces in order to keep somebody who makes the team worse.

You can play the hindsight game if you want, but I'd rather not imagine a scenario where our GM intentionally makes us worse during a competitive phase.
Even if we kept that pick, and it ended up where it did because of the pandemic, it's more likely we take Amirov anyway. Doesn't really help us.
 

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