Proposal: Rangers Sabres blockbuster

[Djp]

You think BUF would have any interest in the 12th this year or are they set on not caring about lottery picks at this point?

Its not a lottery pick because the lottery us over.

Not interested in thr pick. An unorotected 26 1st I s worth more. Not enough to get peterka.

I feel like Cuylle+Schneider for Byram+Peterka is a trade that fans of other teams would feel is fair (feel free to opine!), but fans of NYR and BUF would feel is lopsided toward the other team.

That’s usually the sign of a trade that is pretty even

Rangers need to add.

Prior threads peterka ~ cuylle and schneider

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Rangers need to add.

Prior threads peterka ~ cuylle and schneider

Of course you think that, you’re a Sabres fan. That was the whole point of my post. Like like Rangers fans think Buffalo would need to add.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Two teams needing to shake things up after disappointing seasons that we heard from multiple sources were in serious talks earlier about at least one of these guys.

Two young guys maybe looking for a change of scenery for two young guys maybe in need of a change of scenery

To New York:
* JJ Peterka W, 23, GP: 77 27/41/68 RFA: $0.9M, Projected $7-8M for term
* Bo Byram D, 23, GP: 82 7/31/48 RFA: QA $4.2M, Projected $6-8M for term

To Buffalo:
* Alexis Lafreniere W, 23, GP: 82 17/48/25 Signed at $7.4M for 7 years
* K'Andre Miller D, 25, GP: 74 7/20/27 RFA: QA $4.6M, Projected $5.5-6.5M for term

Contracts, ages and positions roughly match up. Rangers get a more skill, the Sabres get more size.

Buffalo gives up the two best players in the deal because???

 

[Sanderson]

I feel like Cuylle+Schneider for Byram+Peterka is a trade that fans of other teams would feel is fair (feel free to opine!), but fans of NYR and BUF would feel is lopsided toward the other team.

That’s usually the sign of a trade that is pretty even

Nah, that is just a falsehood. There is no connection whatsoever between a deal being even and both sides not liking it. They are two seperate things entirely. Just like the refereeing not somehow being good just because both sides complained about it.

 

[Fitzy]

It's so true, if we evaluate the deal entirely by what the offensive goal+assist production of the players from just last season was, it's a clear loss for Buffalo.

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Two teams needing to shake things up after disappointing seasons that we heard from multiple sources were in serious talks earlier about at least one of these guys.

Two young guys maybe looking for a change of scenery for two young guys maybe in need of a change of scenery

To New York:
* JJ Peterka W, 23, GP: 77 27/41/68 RFA: $0.9M, Projected $7-8M for term
* Bo Byram D, 23, GP: 82 7/31/48 RFA: QA $4.2M, Projected $6-8M for term

To Buffalo:
* Alexis Lafreniere W, 23, GP: 82 17/48/25 Signed at $7.4M for 7 years
* K'Andre Miller D, 25, GP: 74 7/20/27 RFA: QA $4.6M, Projected $5.5-6.5M for term

Contracts, ages and positions roughly match up. Rangers get a more skill, the Sabres get more size.

Wouldn't that be a side ways move for both teams?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Wouldn't that be a side ways move for both teams?

Sometimes sideways moves can be good for teams, for a number of reasons.

Maybe you're looking to get younger. Maybe you're looking for guys on shorter contracts. Maybe your player demanded a trade and you want to do that but replace them with a comparable player. Maybe your player is good on the ice in the regular season, but you (or his teammates) don't like how his personality fits into the locker room or how he doesn't elevate his game in important playoff games. Maybe your overall team is too soft or too small, and you want to re-shuffle your deck with bigger or meaner players.

I don't know if I would call this trade proposal a sideways move, but even if it is, it can still be worth pulling the trigger on.

 

[Flan the incredible]

"Due to his concussions"

He missed 0 games last season.

Wow 1 whole season.

Let's pretend his previous issues didn't exist at all.

 

[toddkaz]

Let's pretend his previous issues didn't exist at all.

He missed 0 games the previous season because of concussions. So it sounds like you have no idea really.

 

[pman25]

He missed 0 games the previous season because of concussions. So it sounds like you have no idea really.

Yeah so? He still has 3 concussions. It’s great he’s been able to stay healthy last season but let’s not pretend like the risk isn’t elevated with players with multiple prior head injuries

 

[toddkaz]

Yeah so? He still has 3 concussions. It’s great he’s been able to stay healthy last season but let’s not pretend like the risk isn’t elevated with players with multiple prior head injuries

You mean had....Is he collecting them?

No one is forcing you to take Byram, maybe NHL players have concussions very few retire because of it.

 

[Djp]

Of course you think that, you’re a Sabres fan. That was the whole point of my post. Like like Rangers fans think Buffalo would need to add.

Simple math

Low end Peterka who is what Laf is
Byram is much better now than what schneider could be

 

[toddkaz]

Yeah so? He still has 3 concussions. It’s great he’s been able to stay healthy last season but let’s not pretend like the risk isn’t elevated with players with multiple prior head injuries

Tavares has had 2 REPORTED concussions in his career. No one is talking about not signing him because if it.

Brad Marchand has had multiple concussions dude is crushing it in the playoffs.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Simple math

Low end Peterka who is what Laf is
Byram is much better now than what schneider could be

I was talking about Cuylle.

It’s actually not simple math. Different people have different assessments on the same player.

What does “better” even mean? A better skater? More points? Prevents more goals? Fits the system and role?

Everyone defines it differently. I personally might not agree with what you define as “better.”

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Nah, that is just a falsehood. There is no connection whatsoever between a deal being even and both sides not liking it. They are two seperate things entirely. Just like the refereeing not somehow being good just because both sides complained about it.

You must’ve read my post too quickly and misunderstood. I just said to ignore the fans of both teams. Not “it’s a good deal because both teams don’t like it.”

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Two teams needing to shake things up after disappointing seasons that we heard from multiple sources were in serious talks earlier about at least one of these guys.

Two young guys maybe looking for a change of scenery for two young guys maybe in need of a change of scenery

To New York:
* JJ Peterka W, 23, GP: 77 27/41/68 RFA: $0.9M, Projected $7-8M for term
* Bo Byram D, 23, GP: 82 7/31/48 RFA: QA $4.2M, Projected $6-8M for term

To Buffalo:
* Alexis Lafreniere W, 23, GP: 82 17/48/25 Signed at $7.4M for 7 years
* K'Andre Miller D, 25, GP: 74 7/20/27 RFA: QA $4.6M, Projected $5.5-6.5M for term

Contracts, ages and positions roughly match up. Rangers get a more skill, the Sabres get more size.

Peterka is better than. Lafreniere. I don't care where they were picked. And two years of team control for Miller, like Byram, who is another LD. Zero interest. You lose every time you trade the best player and that is JJ.

 

[Flan the incredible]

He missed 0 games the previous season because of concussions. So it sounds like you have no idea really.

Are you a real doctor or do you just play one on a message board?

Any real doctor knows that an individual who has lots of concussions especially of the magnitude that he has isn't out of the clear.

 

[toddkaz]

Are you a real doctor or do you just play one on a message board?

Any real doctor knows that an individual who has lots of concussions especially of the magnitude that he has isn't out of the clear.

"Lots of concussions"

Is "lots" a medical term? Now you are a doctor? Or you just play one on a message board?

 

[pman25]

Tavares has had 2 REPORTED concussions in his career. No one is talking about not signing him because if it.

Brad Marchand has had multiple concussions dude is crushing it in the playoffs.

Sure those are also veteran players who will be signing 2-3 year deals at this point in their careers. Byram is only 23 and if you’re trading for him, you’re gonna commit to him long term so the injury risk is certainly in the picture more so than those other guys you mention.

 

[thewookie1]

I feel like Cuylle+Schneider for Byram+Peterka is a trade that fans of other teams would feel is fair (feel free to opine!), but fans of NYR and BUF would feel is lopsided toward the other team.

That’s usually the sign of a trade that is pretty even

Easy no from Buffalo's side.

We trade both players with legitimate production for 2 guys who have potential.
Cuylle reminds me of Tanner Jeannot too much to be onboard with him.

 

[Flan the incredible]

"Lots of concussions"

Is "lots" a medical term? Now you are a doctor? Or you just play one on a message board?

You mean the multiple concussions that have been well documented? How about the conversation that he had with his own father that you can Google about how they made him feel? Do you really think he had just one? Oh and yes multiple concussions to the point you can't function properly is a lot. Are you denying that?

Yea I am going to go by his own words instead of some guy who thinks concussions are no big deal and he has zero risk after a year or two. I mean it's no like tons of studies have been done recently with the NHL and NFL regarding concussions and how even players years after playing still have some issues.

You are like a used car salesman in a plaid suit trying to pawn off some car.

Anyone trading for him is going to weigh that risk. Deny it all you want but it isn't reality.

 

[Satanphonehome]

I don’t think Byram’s concussion history is going to significantly hamper his trade value, or his ability to sign a long-term deal. Too many players have gotten past such injuries and a lot of time has passed. Nobody in the media is talking about it as a concern.

Maybe there will be a few organizations that consider him a risk, but those who don’t - and there will be many - will focus on the 2 1/2 years of good health and his performance last year, and pay accordingly.

 

[toddkaz]

You mean the multiple concussions that have been well documented? How about the conversation that he had with his own father that you can Google about how they made him feel? Do you really think he had just one? Oh and yes multiple concussions to the point you can't function properly is a lot. Are you denying that?

Yea I am going to go by his own words instead of some guy who thinks concussions are no big deal and he has zero risk after a year or two. I mean it's no like tons of studies have been done recently with the NHL and NFL regarding concussions and how even players years after playing still have some issues.

You are like a used car salesman in a plaid suit trying to pawn off some car.

Anyone trading for him is going to weigh that risk. Deny it all you want but it isn't reality.

There is different grades of concussions and each player should be taken individually. You have no idea about Bo Byram.

There is plenty of NHL hockey players who have had multiple concussions and no one blinks an eye.

 

[NYRnine94]

To my fellow Rangers fans, we need to stop trying to trade Laf. Nobody wants his contract and the team isn't moving him. We just have to hope he rebounds and finds his game. I mean if a team like Anaheim or Minnesota is dumb enough to trade a McTavish or Rossi then yeah but that's not happening. Just keep Laf and give him every opportunity to rebound

 

[Alluckks]

Buffalo needs players that are under contract and signed for several years