Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 8.7.18)

[gravey9]

Just want to point out one other factor that plays into the Rangers stockpiling D prospects. During this rebuild there is going to be a few years of declining Henrik and a few years of "is this the heir apparent?" In that situation, I think it's wise to make sure we've got a strong D-zone system and strong young defenseman that can play it. The darkest days of this organization in my lifetime were the years after the 94 team had mostly faded away and before Renney era. Our D was a mess and as a result it was next to impossible to develop a goalie prospect in the NHL. Look at all teams that get this wrong and have to trade for a #1. Looking at you flyers, oilers, coyotes... etc.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Yeah, I mentioned a few posts up that the board acting funky was causing me to lose work. I'd add a guy, save, and then randomly someone would disappear. Since it takes about five times more effort to do anything with tables on this new platform, it just wasn't worth continuing. I'll do a complete update tomorrow.

Ah, gotcha. I think the board funkiness may have caused me to miss your earlier post.

Thanks as always!!!

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

So if I am a defenseman prospect in the Rangers organization and I see all the Defensive depth/competition around me why would I want to sign a contract with Rangers and be either burried in AHL/ECHL or have 10 other Dmen breathing down my neck? Why wouldn't I just not sign and become a free agent or go back in the draft?

 

[kovazub94]

So if I am a defenseman prospect in the Rangers organization and I see all the Defensive depth/competition around me why would I want to sign a contract with Rangers and be either burried in AHL/ECHL or have 10 other Dmen breathing down my neck? Why wouldn't I just not sign and become a free agent or go back in the draft?

If you doubt you’re good enough to make it over other prospects - I wouldn’t blink letting you go.

The benefit is that all these prospects will have to push harder to develop into better players than your competition for the spot on the Rangers.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

If you doubt you’re good enough to make it over other prospects - I wouldn’t blink letting you go.

The benefit is that all these prospects will have to push harder to develop into better players than your competition for the spot on the Rangers.

No I doubt things like icetime, opportunity to get promoted to NHL, and that I won't be sent back down if I make 1 or 2 mistakes and they call up next Dman.

I understand you wouldn't be upset of letting go somebody that doesn't want to sign, but this means we lost a lot of draft picks due mismanagement of assets and creating this situation.

 

[kovazub94]

No I doubt things like icetime, opportunity to get promoted to NHL, and that I won't be sent back down if I make 1 or 2 mistakes and they call up next Dman.

I understand you wouldn't be upset of letting go somebody that doesn't want to sign, but this means we lost a lot of draft picks due mismanagement of assets and creating this situation.

You are talking about two separate things. In this post you’re talking about mismanagement by the front office/coaching staff. Where’s the evidence to substantiate your concerns?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

You are talking about two separate things. In this post you’re talking about mismanagement by the front office/coaching staff. Where’s the evidence to substantiate your concerns?

Look at the amount of players we have in the development camp. If I am let's say Nico Gross I say to myself "screw this there is not much chance for me here" and go play in Swiss or Swedish leagues and in 2 years I either get redrafted or am a free agent for all NHL teams.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Look at the amount of players we have in the development camp. If I am let's say Nico Gross I say to myself "screw this there is not much chance for me here" and go play in Swiss or Swedish leagues and in 2 years I either get redrafted or am a free agent for all NHL teams.

His original point is he would be fine with them leaving if they thought like that because those players clearly don't believe in themselves to be the best of a group of them. Competition makes the cream rise to the top

 

[kovazub94]

That should probably say stage not age.

Either way, I don’t really view them as being that close right now.

A year ago - maybe but with a season split between AHL / NHL Georgiev significantly narrowed the gap where he’s upside is firmly in solid NHL goaltender category. Agree that Shesterkin is ahead by the ceiling of upside.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Look at the amount of players we have in the development camp. If I am let's say Nico Gross I say to myself "screw this there is not much chance for me here" and go play in Swiss or Swedish leagues and in 2 years I either get redrafted or am a free agent for all NHL teams.

Well, if you ever thought of having a career in sports, this is probably the reason why you didn't make it. Players like the challenge. They try to make it and if they fail, yes. They can look at other options.

But to assume players will just throw in the towel based on the number of players competing for the same spot, is ridiculous.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I want to point out that since 2013 the Rangers have had 5 first round picks in 6 drafts. So we caught up to the rest of the league.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Can somebody compare and contrast Sjalin, Lundkvist, and Ragnarsson?

 

[Good Intentions]

My take on our rankings, 6.24.18 -

1. Filip Chytil, F - clear cut #1 with 1st tier potential, franchise power forward
2. Vitali Kravtsov, F - draft position and short term KHL obligation springs him up.
3. Igor Shestyorkin, G - B. Point was the Round 3 hit in 2014. Shestyorkin (Round 4) is next.
4. Lias Andersson, F - Slight stock drop, ceiling doesn't appear as high - but very safe NHL future.
5. K'Andre Miller, D - Huge upside, will be in our Top 5 for years to come. I'd bet on him.
6. Anthony DeAngelo, D - I'm not a fan, but I recognize the skill. Deserves to be up here.
7. Brett Howden, C - Could be a generous spot, but by all accounts should be a quality 3rd liner.
8. Nils Lundkvist, D - 28 OV speaks. Probably as far off as a Miller, but a safer bet as an NHL'er.
9. Libor Hajek, D - Quickly emerged as the #1 prospect from the sell-off. He'll be a Ranger.
10. Neal Pionk, D - Deserves this slot, 28 pro games doesn't lie. I think he has an 8-10 year career.
11. Ryan Lindgren, D - Personal favorite, really like his presence. 2 years away from Broadway.
12. Alexander Georgiev, G - Modest ranking. Wouldn't surprise me if he's our #1 after Henrik.
13. Yegor Rykov, D - Good return on Grabner. Unclear whether he factors in our plans, or we in his.
14. Jacob Ragnarsson, D - Bloodlines and two-way game, he's going to climb
15. Ty Ronning, F - 61 goals in WHL pushed him from after-thought to prospect. Will be 21 in HFD.
16. Sean Day, D - 2018 should be a huge year for him in either direction. A lot of HFD competition.
17. Joey Keane, D - Intriguing draft pick, should be in competition with Day (above)
18. Nico Gross, D - I recall Phillippe Furrer about 15 years ago. I know how this Swiss thing goes...
19. Vinni Littieri, F - Won a spot out of camp last fall, was that his peak?
20. Morgan Barron, F - Wouldn't be shocked if he becomes a Quinn guy.
21. Ville Meskanen, F - Difficult to gauge where he belongs. A year ago, would be in our Top 12.
22. Michael Lindqvist - See above. Supposedly has a pretty good snipe, maybe he moves up here.
23. Lauri Pajuniemi, F - Seems like good value, fairly late. Don't know much about him.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[n8]

i was complaining in another thread that the Rangers have been terrible at drafting kids from the CHL and seeing this prospects chart made me realize the Rangers probably recognize that as well and simply have chosen to work around this weakness by avoiding drafting said types of prospects altogether.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

My take on our rankings, 6.24.18 -

1. Filip Chytil, F - clear cut #1 with 1st tier potential, franchise power forward
2. Vitali Kravtsov, F - draft position and short term KHL obligation springs him up.
3. Igor Shestyorkin, G - B. Point was the Round 3 hit in 2014. Shestyorkin (Round 4) is next.
4. Lias Andersson, F - Slight stock drop, ceiling doesn't appear as high - but very safe NHL future.
5. K'Andre Miller, D - Huge upside, will be in our Top 5 for years to come. I'd bet on him.
6. Anthony DeAngelo, D - I'm not a fan, but I recognize the skill. Deserves to be up here.
7. Brett Howden, C - Could be a generous spot, but by all accounts should be a quality 3rd liner.
8. Nils Lundkvist, D - 28 OV speaks. Probably as far off as a Miller, but a safer bet as an NHL'er.
9. Libor Hajek, D - Quickly emerged as the #1 prospect from the sell-off. He'll be a Ranger.
10. Neal Pionk, D - Deserves this slot, 28 pro games doesn't lie. I think he has an 8-10 year career.
11. Ryan Lindgren, D - Personal favorite, really like his presence. 2 years away from Broadway.
12. Alexander Georgiev, G - Modest ranking. Wouldn't surprise me if he's our #1 after Henrik.
13. Yegor Rykov, D - Good return on Grabner. Unclear whether he factors in our plans, or we in his.
14. Jacob Ragnarsson, D - Bloodlines and two-way game, he's going to climb
15. Ty Ronning, F - 61 goals in WHL pushed him from after-thought to prospect. Will be 21 in HFD.
16. Sean Day, D - 2018 should be a huge year for him in either direction. A lot of HFD competition.
17. Joey Keane, D - Intriguing draft pick, should be in competition with Day (above)
18. Nico Gross, D - I recall Phillippe Furrer about 15 years ago. I know how this Swiss thing goes...
19. Vinni Littieri, F - Won a spot out of camp last fall, was that his peak?
20. Morgan Barron, F - Wouldn't be shocked if he becomes a Quinn guy.
21. Ville Meskanen, F - Difficult to gauge where he belongs. A year ago, would be in our Top 12.
22. Michael Lindqvist - See above. Supposedly has a pretty good snipe, maybe he moves up here.
23. Lauri Pajuniemi, F - Seems like good value, fairly late. Don't know much about him.

Pionk and DeAngello need to be flipped. I think Meskanen and Lindqvist unless they stink it up in the camp are here to play for the Rangers and give us freedom to trade the likes of Spooner, Hayes, Vesey, Namestnikov.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Pionk and DeAngello need to be flipped. I think Meskanen and Lindqvist unless they stink it up in the camp are here to play for the Rangers and give us freedom to trade the likes of Spooner, Hayes, Vesey, Namestnikov.

Let's wait and see. Lindqvist and Meskanen will probably need some seasoning in the AHL for a few months before they are ready.

 

[Jonas1235]

yo dawg what about Tim Gettinger and Ryan Gropp?

 

[nyr2k2]

I was able to get all the guys put into the table this morning. f*** Xenforo.

Lots of guys who we still don't know where they'll be playing net year--Hughes, Bernhardt, Virta, and Lindbom.

 

[mas0764]

With my very limited knowledge, I'd go more like this:

1. Filip Chytil, F
2. Vitali Kravtsov, F
3. Lias Andersson, F
4. Igor Shestyorkin, G
5. K'Andre Miller, D
6. Libor Hajek, D
7. Anthony DeAngelo, D
8. Brett Howden, C
9. Nils Lundkvist, D
10. Ryan Lindgren, D
11. Neal Pionk, D
12. Sean Day, D
13. Alexander Georgiev, G
14. Yegor Rykov, D
15. Jacob Ragnarsson, D
16. Ty Ronning, F
17. Joey Keane, D
18. Nico Gross, D
19. Vinni Littieri, F
20. Lauri Pajuniemi, F

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

yo dawg what about Tim Gettinger and Ryan Gropp?

I like Gettinger, Gropp is playing himself out of the A

 

[Tawnos]

i was complaining in another thread that the Rangers have been terrible at drafting kids from the CHL and seeing this prospects chart made me realize the Rangers probably recognize that as well and simply have chosen to work around this weakness by avoiding drafting said types of prospects altogether.

Someone in the front office not long ago was making the point that they prefer college and European guys because they have the ability to get them into their own development system more quickly. So, yeah... they haven't been great at CHL prospects in any case, but at this point they're leaning towards other picks for multiple reasons.

 

[nyr2k2]

Someone in the front office not long ago was making the point that they prefer college and European guys because they have the ability to get them into their own development system more quickly. So, yeah... they haven't been great at CHL prospects in any case, but at this point they're leaning towards other picks for multiple reasons.

It's a reasonable strategy. It's also worth considering the benefit of drafting a kid who came up through a single youth system in, say, Sweden, has received consistent instruction, and then has maybe already played a season and a half of pro hockey by the time he's drafted. There are definitely some clear advantages towards taking European players.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Lindgren is underrated on all boards. Kid is going to be a stud.

 

[TheTakedown]

So, for those who actually Gropp, can you tell me wtf happened to him and why he busted?