Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Poll: #29

[mti79]

Donnay, because... well, why not? Add Nicholls.

 

[eco's bones]

Basically, defensive IQ sorely lacking which when combined with the size indicates that at best you are looking at an NHLer who would be a 3rd pairing specialist receiving very sheltered minutes. The kid has an absolute cannon, and overall decent gifts as many MN kids do related to overall footwork (one of the benefits of having free, good, ice 4+ months every year). Tendency to just make some bad decisions overall - penalties, shooting into shin pads, knowing when to pinch. Thought the brain/size combo would scare teams.

Like I said as a lottery pick some tools are there and we are talking about prospect #29 so it's worth a shot and we'll see how he develops.

I think he played at forward too. Goes to college for 4 years--a lot of time to develop. He's a small d. He's going to have to develop both his defensive and offensive game. Definitely a long shot.

 

[57special]

Fogarty's season was viewed as good only because people don't recognize how low the BCHL is. Most of the kids there won't even sniff the ECHL, much less a higher league.

Yet, he was only a second liner, meaning several kids on that team was better than him. It also means he was playing against weaker opposition. And yes, he scored over ppg, but at that level, it means nothing. Five players scored more than him, including a defenseman.

Then in the playoffs, he scored about 0.5 per game, making him tied for the 8/9 place in scoring on his team.

That's a strong season? A kid who has NHL future should be dominant every way possible at this level. Yet, in the NHL you may project as a defense-first player, but at a lower level, you speed, quickness, etc should produce results everywhere on the ice.

What you've neglected to mention is that the V's were a loaded team.

Both Fogarty and Nanne played for Edina HS in MN, albeit at different times. Of the two, I would've thought that Fogarty would have the best chance to make the NHL due to his size. Fogarty is a smart kid... Maybe he isn't driven enough to succeed/ has other options after college? I am surprised that he hasn't shown more in his three years after HS... looked Meh in his ice time at ND. If he doesn't break out this year he will officially become a long shot to ever make the NHL.

Nanne has his faults, but he can be positively electric at times. Will that talent continue to be evident as he moves up the ladder? His ceiling would be as a Jared Spurgeon type, which isn't a bad thing at all.

 

[Beacon]

The idea that the V's were loaded is crap. They were loaded for a BCHL team, but were still worse than any Juniors or D1 squad.

 

[57special]

I can't believe you think that a BCHL should be on par with a Major Junior team or a D1 school!

The V's went what, 52-4 or something ? Fogarty got something like 80 odd points. He then went on to college. To say that he was only seventh in scoring doesn't tell the whole story is my point. The V's were an unusually dominant team WITH A LOT OF TALENT. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Beacon]

I can't believe you think that a BCHL should be on par with a Major Junior team or a D1 school!

The V's went what, 52-4 or something ? Fogarty got something like 80 odd points. He then went on to college. To say that he was only seventh in scoring doesn't tell the whole story is my point. The V's were an unusually dominant team WITH A LOT OF TALENT. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't think it should be on par, I know that it's not. The top players for the Vees went on to play college. As 22 year olds by now, they still couldn't hit point per game. None of the top players did. And that's considering that they got 2 additional years of coaching and maturation by now.

Bodie scored a point per game as a DEFENSEMAN and he's regarded as a second or third tier prospect. Chris McCarthy is viewed as a third-rate prospect and he had over a point per game. Haggerty is a second tier prospect and he had 1.23 points per game.

The point is that college has a ton of players scoring a point per game who aren't even top prospects, in many cases they go on to play ECHL hockey. And yet none of the players on the "loaded" Vees team could match that.

Almost their whole team is downright crap by college standards. No matter how "loaded" the Vees were by BCHL standards, they were a crap team by the D1 standard. That he wasn't one of their top players was a bad omen. Their top guys became average D1 players and that's precisely what his BCHL production predicted: he's a below average player on his college team.

People need to understand just how big a gap is between D1 and the BCHL: if you can play in D1, you play there. You play in the BCHL only if you aren't good enough. So if a solid player accidentally winds up there, he's just dominant at that level. Fogarty wasn't dominant in the BCHL because he was not someone who accidentally wound up there, he belonged there as someone not good enough to play D1 in his post-draft season.