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Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Poll: #29

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Beacon

Beacon

Embrace the tank
May 28, 2007
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Tommy Hughes won the #28 spot and RW Michael Kantor is added to the poll.

Please write in who you prefer: Jason Missiaen or Josh Nicolls so that we won't have to add extra round.


THE RULES

WHO IS A PROSPECT: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect

HOW TO RANK PROSPECTS: Based on their value in a hypothetical trade or waiver draft. This takes into consideration a prospect's ceiling, how close he's to making it, his health, work ethic, the whole deal. Imagine there was a prospect waiver draft and you could keep only one prospect. That guy is our #1 prospect. Then imagine we had one more waiver protection. That guy is our #2 prospect.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. C J.T. Miller
2. D Brady Skjei
3. LW Anthony Duclair
4. D Dylan McIlrath
5. RW Jesper Fast
6. LW Pavel Buchnevich
7. C Oscar Lindberg
8. D Conor Allen
9. RW Danny Kristo
10. RW Ryan Haggerty


SECOND TIER

11. G Brandon Halverson
12. C Adam Tambellini
13. LW Marek Hrivik
14. C Boo Nieves
15. D Ryan Graves
16. LW Ryan Bourque
17. D Petr Zamorsky
18. C Keegan Iverson
19. D Mat Bodie
20. G Igor Shestyorkin


PROJECTS & SUSPECTS

21. C Michael St. Croix
22. RW Richard Nejezchleb
23. G Mackenzie Skapski
24. D Calle Andersson
25. LW Chris McCarthy
26. D Daniel Walcott
27. D Ryan Mantha
28. D Tommy Hughes


Tommy Hughes

Defense -- shoots R
Born Apr 7 1992 -- London, ONT
Height 6.02 -- Weight 216

2013-14 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 72 2-7-9 34PIM

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PROSPECTS TO BE CHOSEN BETWEEN:

Missiaen, Jason

OR

Nicholls, Josh
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Voted for Sammy the Bull (Noreau). I was torn between him and Hughes in the past rounds, and this time it's clear that Noreau is the way to go.

1. Big defensemen take longer to develop, usually have to return to the juniors because they can't make the AHL or the ECHL. Noreau didn't need it because he could keep up with the pros.

2. In his first pro season, Noreau was one of the team leaders in +/- in the regular season and was first on the team in the playoffs. This is remarkable considering that (a) he doesn't score; (b) he's a rookie who should be making rookie mistakes; (c) he's playing against the top ECHL scorers.

3. The value of a big, punishing defenseman who's tougher than McIlrath is significant. Because his skill is so rare, Noreau could be a significant addition to any team if he reaches his ceiling.
 
Add: Jason Missiaen

Goalies take longer to develop than forwards, so there's still some outside hope for Missiaen. Nicholls hasn't ever displayed real offensive skill. In fact, nothing about him says, "this is the skill that will lead him to the NHL."

However small, Missiaen's chances are better than Nicholls's.
 
Beacon said:
Add: Jason Missiaen

Goalies take longer to develop than forwards, so there's still some outside hope for Missiaen. Nicholls hasn't ever displayed real offensive skill. In fact, nothing about him says, "this is the skill that will lead him to the NHL."

However small, Missiaen's chances are better than Nicholls's.
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For the record, Nicholls did some things in training camp last year that I liked. Missiaen has never looked good in all the times I've watched him. Nicholls also had decent numbers in the ECHL. His odds are extremely low, agreed, but at least I have SOMETHING to hang my hat on with him - I saw more from Halverston in the training camp YouTubes than I ever have from Missiaen. So, Nicholls it is.
 
I saw Nicholls live in an early season game for Greenville last season. Take this for what it's worth, but at the ECHL level, he looked very good. He was always involved in the offense, responsible defensively, and played both PP and PK. Now, we'll have to see how his game transitions to even the AHL level, but I saw nothing but good things from him in the game I watched live.
 
Nanne is definitely an intriguing prospect. Everything I've read indicates the has terrific upside as a PMD. His size is an issue, but he's 18 and could still grow. And even if he doesn't, it's not necessarily a deal-breaker as far as an NHL career goes.

He has the potential to jump way up the list by this time next year, or in two years if he shows well when he makes the jump to NCAA hockey. He's the perfect pick (IMO) in the mid-to-late rounds of the draft. Either he booms, or you never really hear about him again.
 
I have a lot of friends involved in various capacity with Edina hockey. Across the board they were pretty floored Nanne was drafted, at all. It's a late pick, lottery ticket type choice so sure roll the dice. But I wouldn't expect much.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
I have a lot of friends involved in various capacity with Edina hockey. Across the board they were pretty floored Nanne was drafted, at all. It's a late pick, lottery ticket type choice so sure roll the dice. But I wouldn't expect much.
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Was there anything in particular they didn't like about Nanne? From the scouting reports I've seen, the only knock was size.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Was there anything in particular they didn't like about Nanne? From the scouting reports I've seen, the only knock was size.
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Basically, defensive IQ sorely lacking which when combined with the size indicates that at best you are looking at an NHLer who would be a 3rd pairing specialist receiving very sheltered minutes. The kid has an absolute cannon, and overall decent gifts as many MN kids do related to overall footwork (one of the benefits of having free, good, ice 4+ months every year). Tendency to just make some bad decisions overall - penalties, shooting into shin pads, knowing when to pinch. Thought the brain/size combo would scare teams.

Like I said as a lottery pick some tools are there and we are talking about prospect #29 so it's worth a shot and we'll see how he develops.
 
Nanne should definitely place in our top-30 based on being drafted in the 5th round a few weeks ago. We don't know much about these new draftees, but there has to be enough trust not to discard a player as soon as he's drafted.

Steven "Pashnin" Fogarty should not be up in the top 30. Every time there is some prospect getting love for no reason (The Pashnin Award) and the last couple of times it has been Foggy.

For one, late drafted power forwards have the worst chance of playing in the NHL, so saying "he has size" actually works against him statistically. Two, he's shown nothing in the 3 years since getting drafted. Third liner in the BCHL, crap player in college. He's now older (and bigger) than a large majority of college kids, so maybe he puts up some numbers, but he's done nothing yet to make us suspect he has NHL future. If anything, fellow power forward Andrew Yogan has done a lot more.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
For the record, Nicholls did some things in training camp last year that I liked.
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And Missiaen was hot in March/April of 2013, playing very well. (He also got hot in the ECHL a year later). Both of these were a long time ago. Nicholls needs to make Hartford's top 9 at some point this year to be a legitimate prospect.
 
Beacon said:
Nanne should definitely place in our top-30 based on being drafted in the 5th round a few weeks ago. We don't know much about these new draftees, but there has to be enough trust not to discard a player as soon as he's drafted.

Steven "Pashnin" Fogarty should not be up in the top 30. Every time there is some prospect getting love for no reason (The Pashnin Award) and the last couple of times it has been Foggy.

For one, late drafted power forwards have the worst chance of playing in the NHL, so saying "he has size" actually works against him statistically. Two, he's shown nothing in the 3 years since getting drafted. Third liner in the BCHL, crap player in college. He's now older (and bigger) than a large majority of college kids, so maybe he puts up some numbers, but he's done nothing yet to make us suspect he has NHL future. If anything, fellow power forward Andrew Yogan has done a lot more.
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Fogarty had a good year @ Penticton, Two years as an underclassman @ Notre Dame means limited Ice Time.

Fogarty now that he is an Upperclassman will show if he deserves and ELC.
 
Fogarty's season was viewed as good only because people don't recognize how low the BCHL is. Most of the kids there won't even sniff the ECHL, much less a higher league.

Yet, he was only a second liner, meaning several kids on that team was better than him. It also means he was playing against weaker opposition. And yes, he scored over ppg, but at that level, it means nothing. Five players scored more than him, including a defenseman.

Then in the playoffs, he scored about 0.5 per game, making him tied for the 8/9 place in scoring on his team.

That's a strong season? A kid who has NHL future should be dominant every way possible at this level. Yet, in the NHL you may project as a defense-first player, but at a lower level, you speed, quickness, etc should produce results everywhere on the ice.
 
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