Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 5.24.21)

[Rongomania]

Not sure he's ready for the NHL just yet, but he's certainly ready to go pro.

This past season has proven to me that the NHL should revise the CHL agreement to at least make an exemption for 1st round picks

Absolutely. I meant 'will he be ready faster than Lindgren' out of pure curiosity, not even necessarily 'hope'.

I really agree with you on the rules as kids have really taken advantage of the less brutality going on in the league.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Thanks, much appreciated! What do you see as his offensive upside in the NHL?

Depends if they see him as a PP guy. He has a cannon for a shot. He could be 20 to 30 point guy and more if he gets PP time

 

[GAGLine]

Not sure he's ready for the NHL just yet, but he's certainly ready to go pro.

This past season has proven to me that the NHL should revise the CHL agreement to at least make an exemption for 1st round picks

I can't see any reason why the CHL would agree to that, barring some sort of compensation, and even then there would likely be more of a limit to it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can't see any reason why the CHL would agree to that, barring some sort of compensation, and even then there would likely be more of a limit to it.

It would come at a price of course. Additional compensation would be key.

 

[Leetch3]

part of the problem with trying to change that deal is that you are often looking at the exception for the player that should be able to move up....the majority of the prospects need to be there for the 2 years and the nhl is relying on those teams to develop players for them.

there are exceptions when its not perfect but overall the relationship works pretty well

 

[nyr2k2]

In the Dub, Robertson has an assist, Schneider has a SH assist, and Garand has stopped all 12 shots through 2. Work and school night so I can't stay up for the conclusions.

Pajuniemi had an assist.

Garand did get the shutout last night, by the way. Two in five games. In that time he has stopped 137/144 which is good for a .951 SV% and 1.40 GAA.

 

[kovazub94]

I can't see any reason why the CHL would agree to that, barring some sort of compensation, and even then there would likely be more of a limit to it.

Compensation is not a bad idea. There’s a precedent with some Euro leagues and $300K would be pretty reasonable on one end and we’ll appreciated on the other!

 

[kovazub94]

Garand did get the shutout last night, by the way. Two in five games. In that time he has stopped 137/144 which is good for a .951 SV% and 1.40 GAA.

Good at math, eh?

 

[cwede]

It would come at a price of course. Additional compensation would be key.

part of the problem with trying to change that deal is that you are often looking at the exception for the player that should be able to move up....the majority of the prospects need to be there for the 2 years and the nhl is relying on those teams to develop players for them.
there are exceptions when its not perfect but overall the relationship works pretty well

changes are called for, the landscape has change, due to many factors, including the immediate impact of some younger players, the greater readiness of more younger players, and the improvements in scouting, and on and on

one change i think should be considered, not just re CHL but re the Entry Draft,
is limiting 1st-year eligible players to only be available thru the 4th, or maybe 5th round.
These days, a kid who showed a scout 1 good game, might be deemed worth reeling in with a late pick gamble
This would force team to make some tougher choices, and maybe get more qualified kids drafted.
I think any resistance would fade quickly

 

[nyr2k2]

Good at math, eh?

Did I do it wrong? I'm actually horrible at math.

 

[kovazub94]

Did I do it wrong? I'm actually horrible at math.

Nah, all good. See you’re just like me ready to accept a compliment at any time.

 

[nyr2k2]

Rykov was scoreless with 3 shits. Edström was scoreless with 2 PIM and a shot.

I dropped Hajek from the first post as he hit the games played threshold recently and is no longer a prospect.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Rykov was scoreless with 3 shits. Edström was scoreless with 2 PIM and a shot.

I dropped Hajek from the first post as he hit the games played threshold recently and is no longer a prospect.

You've really started diving deep into some of these guys' stats!

 

[egelband]

Rykov was scoreless with 3 shits. Edström was scoreless with 2 PIM and a shot.

I dropped Hajek from the first post as he hit the games played threshold recently and is no longer a prospect.

So he officially stinks.

 

[nyr2k2]

You've really started diving deep into some of these guys' stats!

Lol my bad. Can't tell you how many times my phone makes that autocorrect and I catch it and fix it. Missed that one.

I cannot attest to how many shits he took.

 

[Cmox]

I remember the McIlrath comparisons when me drafted K'Andre too. Hopefully they end up being just as accurate.

I think some of fans have PTSD when it comes to that pick and rightfully so. But it’s definitely unwarranted when it’s comes to both KAM and Schneider. From the what I’ve seen from both.

 

[GAGLine]

I think some of fans have PTSD when it comes to that pick and rightfully so. But it’s definitely unwarranted when it’s comes to both KAM and Schneider. From the what I’ve seen from both.

Miller to me was much more like the Kreider pick. Both physical specimens with great tools and questionable toolboxes, Kreider because he was dominating high school kids and Miller because he was new to the position.

Schneider is closer to the McI pick, except that Schneider is a much better skater. His performance in the WJC quickly erased any doubts about his potential.

 

[ThirdEye]

Thankfully Schneider has more offensive awareness in his pinky than McIlrath did in his entire body. But yeah, I can see the comparison - both big bruiser types.

As much shit as we give the Rangers for that pick, I don't think anyone expected the dude to be a finished product when we drafted him. He literally made no strides. And the injuries certainly didn't help matters

 

[kovazub94]

Miller to me was much more like the Kreider pick. Both physical specimens with great tools and questionable toolboxes, Kreider because he was dominating high school kids and Miller because he was new to the position.

Schneider is closer to the McI pick, except that Schneider is a much better skater. His performance in the WJC quickly erased any doubts about his potential.

McI doesn’t work for me. Schneider has been A LOT more polished in every aspect of his game leading into the draft and therefore less of a projection and hope that some of his attributes (like skating and mobility for McI) will catch-up to the rest of his game.

 

[kovazub94]

Thankfully Schneider has more offensive awareness in his pinky than McIlrath did in his entire body. But yeah, I can see the comparison - both big bruiser types.

As much shit as we give the Rangers for that pick, I don't think anyone expected the dude to be a finished product when we drafted him. He literally made no strides. And the injuries certainly didn't help matters

Can’t say that his game didn’t develop (it’s a pretty big exaggeration) but he was fighting an uphill battle as the game has changed and, yeah, injuries certainly didn’t help.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The McIlrath comps to Schneider were really perpetuated by like 2 posters right after he was picked.

They have always been dumb. Just because 2 players like to hit their opponents doesn't mean that they're similar.

 

[Fitzy]

As much shit as we give the Rangers for that pick, I don't think anyone expected the dude to be a finished product when we drafted him. He literally made no strides. And the injuries certainly didn't help matters

This has to be the single most challenging thing when scouting and drafting. Whether it be Yakupov or McIlrath, most players are not good enough for the NHL if they don't develop after age 18.

 

[Rongomania]

My PTSD comes from AV ruining him. Dylan's one window of opportunity was with Yandle and they looked -really good- together. His window opened and closed in like 4 games.

please tell me I have that timeline correct. It is buried in there ya know

 

[nyr2k2]

This has to be the single most challenging thing when scouting and drafting. Whether it be Yakupov or McIlrath, most players are not good enough for the NHL if they don't develop after age 18.

Yeah, it's so hard with hockey prospects. It's like baseball prospects. You're evaluating teenagers that are potentially years or more away. You're making projections about their development, when in reality a lot of guys do hit their peak in their late teens, or at 20-22. It seems crazy to think of, but outside of getting stronger, or making strides with their skating, lots of guys never really improve in their ability to play after the age of 20. The CHL is littered with guys who have their best statistical season at age 17 or whatever and just never improve.

Doesn't always mean they'll fail. Someone like Del Zotto, his best hockey was played in his very early twenties. His game didn't have another level, though. I mean props to him for figuring out how to maximize his otherwise stagnated skills and turn in a pretty solid career, but he's one of those guys who just peaked really early. Some guys unfortunately peak at like 19-20 and never make it, though.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Rykov was scoreless with 3 shits. Edström was scoreless with 2 PIM and a shot.

I dropped Hajek from the first post as he hit the games played threshold recently and is no longer a prospect.

You can't score while taking 1 shit, much less 3.