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Ola said:
At the same time, all scouting staffs can surely fail in the top 10.
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The often praised Tampa scouts picked Connolly and Koekkoek in the top 10.

And before anyone brings up Kucherov... They either knew how good he would be or they didn't. If they did, they are idiots for passing on him to draft Namestnikov in the 1st, and if they didn't, it was just luck
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The often praised Tampa scouts picked Connolly and Koekkoek in the top 10
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Yeah.

I also think it’s really important to connect drafting to a teams philosophy and the coach. The Fast-Lias comparison is pointless, but in one way we can safely assume that DQ never would have liked rookie Fast as much as AV did, and that AV never would have liked Howden as much as DQ does. I am fairly certain that AV would have played Lias a lot more in the NHL and probably a lot more on the wing too early on. Whilst DQ prefer what Howden brings. I am not saying that there is a right or wrong here, or that Lias would have been a “good” pick if we had a coach who preferred his hockey sense over speed.

But it certainly magnifies a pick with issues if the coach don’t like what the pick brings. It was of course the same with McI.

I also think the poster above has a good point about our scouting staff not being used to making high picks. I wouldn’t have worded it in that way, but the fact that our entire organization wasn’t used to 1st round picks at all — I definitely wouldn’t have ruled out that it had a negative impact.

One thing for example is that I am 100% sure that we will be more patient with kids going forward. You must be prepared to give kids as long as they need no matter where you draft them, and the exemptions are extremely few. I see Kakko as someone who you didn’t have to be patient with. Ie an above average no 2 pick. If you draft someone 4 or 6 or 10 or 20 or 150, it shouldn’t impact the time line at all really. We can just go back and read comments from the guys in charge — they obviously had a naive understanding of the patience you must afford kids. And so forth.
 
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Edit: Added tiers (skaters only)

Kids with a strong chance to become big impact players:
1. Miller
2. Kravy
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Kids with potential to play high up the line-up, but maybe not to be strong core guys:
3. Nils
4. Reunanen
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Very solid prospects with strong potential to take spots in the middle of a line up:
5. Pajuniemi
6. Rykov
7. Hajak
8. Keane
9. Hajak
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Players that has a step to take to get to the above tier, Robertson is probably unfairly ranked a little low here, but I have a negative LD bias. ;)
10. Henriksson
11. Robertson
12. Aaltonen
13. Barron
 
RGY said:
Any updates on Pajuniemi??
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He hit the back of his head really hard into the boards. Was unfortunate, skated down the right side and a Swedish player put his left hand into his left shoulder and shoved him against the board and he lost his balance and maybe the skates caught in the ice because he propelled hard into the boards backways so to speak.

Looked like he wasn’t really conscious at first, but then could get off the ice with some help.

Could be two weeks or one week or longer. Just think we have to wait and see.
 
Ola said:
He hit the back of his head really hard into the boards. Was unfortunate, skated down the right side and a Swedish player put his left hand into his left shoulder and shoved him against the board and he lost his balance and maybe the skates caught in the ice because he propelled hard into the boards backways so to speak.

Looked like he wasn’t really conscious at first, but then could get off the ice with some help.

Could be two weeks or one week or longer. Just think we have to wait and see.
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Yiiikes. Hope he's okay
 
So once again we have the question about the Clark-Gorton drafting.

Corey Pronman recently did an article in the Athletic about how he would redraft the 2014 draft. The Rangers didn't have a first round pick and drafted Halverson with the second to last pick in the 2nd round. But Pronman rated Shestorkin as his redrafted 25th pick. So without a first round pick and a very late second round pick the Rangers, according to Pronman, got a first round talent.

In December 2018 Pronman did an article in the Athletic about how he would redraft the 2014 draft. The Rangers didn't have a first or second round pick that year. He rated Pavel Buchnevich 16th and Anthony Duclair 25th. So the Rangers drafted two first round talents in the third round. It would be interesting to see where he would put Ryan Graves.

Yes there have been some misses but no one is even close to perfect. 2015 looks like a bad year. 2016 is a problem but mostly because the Rangers didn't have a pick until the third round and to date there haven't been many players who have had a meaningful impact after the Sean Day pick.

But I agree with Amazing K and others that the Rangers have been better than average, particularly given the 2013-2016 lack of first round picks and lack of second round picks in 2013 and 2016.

Amazing Kreiderman said:
Gordie Clark isn't bad at drafting. I'd say he's above average if you account for draft position.
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Ola said:
Edit: Added tiers (skaters only)

Kids with a strong chance to become big impact players:
1. Miller
2. Kravy
———-
Kids with potential to play high up the line-up, but maybe not to be strong core guys:
3. Nils
4. Reunanen
—————-
Very solid prospects with strong potential to take spots in the middle of a line up:
5. Pajuniemi
6. Rykov
7. Hajak
8. Keane
9. Hajak
—————-
Players that has a step to take to get to the above tier, Robertson is probably unfairly ranked a little low here, but I have a negative LD bias. ;)
10. Henriksson
11. Robertson
12. Aaltonen
13. Barron
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See you are “punishing” Barron for his size. Still doesn’t mean he should be ranked behind both smirfs Henriksson and Aaltonen given his outstanding college career.
 
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What is a little confusing to me is that I thought his skating was much better his D-1 season in the KHL. But after that he grew 2 inches and haven’t quite caught up.

But I hope that he can take another step considering how he looked at 17. And get to like closer to a Kuznetsov.

One thing that he doesn’t get credit for is that he is a pretty strong skater. Even late in shifts, he can pick up a puck at the blueline in the defensive zone and drive up ice to get it deep.

I think Kravy is a heck of a talent and I don’t agree with Wheeler on his potential. But I think he needs time. However, DQ and co are seeing what we are seeing and I am fairly certain that he will get time. And that a lot of it I will come in a good position in NY, which is what he needs.
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There’s a thing about Russian players where they are taught about economy of stride: no sense going Max when the situation doesn’t dictate doing it. Play like that and you can Kovalev all night.

As for his skating slipping, growth spurts will do that. You’re at an optimal P/W ratio, growth spurt hits and ups the dead weight without adding the muscle mass to get the power back up straight away and your mechanics are now off.

Asides from goalies, 6’3” /190cm is probably as tall as you want to see unless you’re seeing sublime skills like in Byfield.
 
Ola said:
From Wheelers piece:
“When I talk about Kravtsov as someone who projects to a 50-6o point ceiling, that’s high praise for a 6-foot-4 winger in today’s NHL. ”

Size, in having a lot of it, has officially become a flaw in the NHL. I took a lot of heat for saying that 2-3 years ago, but it’s hard for bigger guys to keep up.
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I’m really hoping Kravtsov is more of a 65-75 point guy than a 50-60. I hope Chytil is 55-65 as well. Any less for those those two is kinda disappointing.
 
I was at the game last night and Barron was really good. Obviously he scored twice and he did take a dumb tripping penalty where he stuck his leg out but was otherwise solid in all aspects.

Both goals were on slappers, one from the circle on the PP and then the other from the point. I do wish he would go to the net more but that's not really his role on the team since he's almost always the best playmaker on his line.

He had an assist today as well, but I missed that so I'm watching it now to see if anything else interesting happened.
 
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I don’t want to call Liiga a garbage league, but at this point you really have to discount production compared to SHL or KHL.

Closer to ECHL for the bottom 10 of the league than the A.

I though Kakko could be a 50pt player last year, will be hard to do that this year. Puljujarvi went from a ppg on a bad AHL team(in a small sample) to ppg on the best Liiga team.

Players who couldn’t get a regular shift in Hartford went to leading scorer in the Liiga.

The production needs to be obscene for it to have a chance to translate on a D+2 season.
 
TheWhiskeyThief said:
I don’t want to call Liiga a garbage league, but at this point you really have to discount production compared to SHL or KHL.

Closer to ECHL for the bottom 10 of the league than the A.

I though Kakko could be a 50pt player last year, will be hard to do that this year. Puljujarvi went from a ppg on a bad AHL team(in a small sample) to ppg on the best Liiga team.

Players who couldn’t get a regular shift in Hartford went to leading scorer in the Liiga.

The production needs to be obscene for it to have a chance to translate on a D+2 season.
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The bolded isn't really a good parameter to rank leagues. Zuccarello went from the KHL (back) to the NHL and produced at a higher rate. By that logic, the KHL is a better league than the NHL.

While I agree with you that Liiga is a weaker league (especially compared to 5-10 years ago) Liiga is still a top-5 league in the world. It's not "garbage". If I have to rank pro leagues, it would be this:

1. NHL
2. KHL
3. SHL
4. AHL
5. Liiga
6. NL
7. HA
8. DEL
9. CEH
10.EBEL

(CHL I don't count since it's a tournament, not a league)
 
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Ranger Ric said:
So once again we have the question about the Clark-Gorton drafting.

Corey Pronman recently did an article in the Athletic about how he would redraft the 2014 draft. The Rangers didn't have a first round pick and drafted Halverson with the second to last pick in the 2nd round. But Pronman rated Shestorkin as his redrafted 25th pick. So without a first round pick and a very late second round pick the Rangers, according to Pronman, got a first round talent.

In December 2018 Pronman did an article in the Athletic about how he would redraft the 2014 draft. The Rangers didn't have a first or second round pick that year. He rated Pavel Buchnevich 16th and Anthony Duclair 25th. So the Rangers drafted two first round talents in the third round. It would be interesting to see where he would put Ryan Graves.

Yes there have been some misses but no one is even close to perfect. 2015 looks like a bad year. 2016 is a problem but mostly because the Rangers didn't have a pick until the third round and to date there haven't been many players who have had a meaningful impact after the Sean Day pick.

But I agree with Amazing K and others that the Rangers have been better than average, particularly given the 2013-2016 lack of first round picks and lack of second round picks in 2013 and 2016.
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For those of us that aren’t big gordie fans, thanks for this.
 
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