Rangers Prospect Ranking: (Winter 2019) - #7

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#7 Prospect


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The Crypto Guy

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Ranger's Winter 2019 Prospect Ranking

1. Vitali Kravtsov (F) (2018 Draft - 1st round) (+2) (54%)
2. Filip Chytil (F) (2017 Draft - 1st round) (-1) (77%)
3. Igor Shestyorkin (G) (2014 Draft - 4th round) (-1) (76%)
4. Lias Andersson (F) (2017 Draft - 1st round) (E) (49%)
5. K'Andre Miller (D) (2018 Draft - 1st round) (+2) (76%)
6. Brett Howden (F) (2016 Draft - 1st round) (E) (80%)


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SUMMER LIST (All nominations can be found here)
Tell me who you want added.
Added: Lindgren​
 
Voted Hajek, IMO he has the highest potential of what's left, and at the least it's a pretty safe bet he'll be a regular NHLer.

Add Ragnarsson
 
Was between Hajek and Lundkvist here, but went Hajek because he’s further along and Nils will get plenty of time to appear on future lists.

Add Barron
 
Personally, I've got Lundkvist clearly ahead of Hajek. I think you could make a case that Lundkvist is a better player today:

- He's scoring at ~3x the rate that Hajek is. Based on Brannstrom more than doubling his scoring rate when he went from the SHL to the AHL and Lias scoring at basically the same rate in the AHL that he did in the SHL last year, despite playing with a shoulder injury in the AHL, I think you could make a case that the SHL is actually the tougher league to score in.
- This isn't just about the ability to contribute in the offensive zone. The puck skills, passing skills, and ability to read plays that it takes to produce points in lower pro leagues are the skills defensemen need to control possession, transition the puck to the forwards, and avoid turnovers in their own end in the NHL. In the games I've watched, Hajek has struggled with that in the AHL. The added potential Lundkvist has to contribute in the offensive zone is just gravy on top of that.
- If Hajek were head and shoulders above Lundkvist defensively, I think you could make an argument that they're even, but it's not clear to me that that's the case. Hajek is the 2nd or 3rd defenseman on a below-average AHL team while Lundkvist is playing a significant role on the 1st place SHL team. It's not clear to me that being the 2nd or 3rd best D on a team that will likely miss the AHL playoffs is dramatically better than that.

Then you add in the fact that Lundkvist is over 2 years younger and he's the clear pick for me.

Add Reunanen, who I would also have ahead of Hajek. They're less than a month apart, so age isn't a factor.
- Reunanen is the #1 defenseman on a top 5 team in Liiga. He's got great puck skills, has scored at almost a ppg in his past 10+ games, and is developing at a very fast rate.
- Hajek is the #2 or #3 defenseman on an AHL team that won't make the playoffs. He's struggled to move the puck and has had very limited offensive production.

Personally, it seems to me like Reunanen has moved ahead of Hajek this year, and when you factor in the higher upside due to more skill and a faster rate of progression too, Reunanen seems to me like the better prospect.

The one counterpoint I'll make is that a lot of Rangers defensemen seem to score at very low rates in the AHL. Pionk, McDonagh, Skjei, and DeAngelo all maintained or increased their scoring rates when they went from the Pack to the Rangers. But Hajek's never had a ton of offensive skill and I've watched enough Pack games to know that his struggles with the puck have been legitimate.
 
Personally, I've got Lundkvist clearly ahead of Hajek. I think you could make a case that Lundkvist is a better player today:

- He's scoring at ~3x the rate that Hajek is. Based on Brannstrom more than doubling his scoring rate when he went from the SHL to the AHL and Lias scoring at basically the same rate in the AHL that he did in the SHL last year, despite playing with a shoulder injury in the AHL, I think you could make a case that the SHL is actually the tougher league to score in.
- This isn't just about the ability to contribute in the offensive zone. The puck skills, passing skills, and ability to read plays that it takes to produce points in lower pro leagues are the skills defensemen need to control possession, transition the puck to the forwards, and avoid turnovers in their own end in the NHL. In the games I've watched, Hajek has struggled with that in the AHL. The added potential Lundkvist has to contribute in the offensive zone is just gravy on top of that.
- If Hajek were head and shoulders above Lundkvist defensively, I think you could make an argument that they're even, but it's not clear to me that that's the case. Hajek is the 2nd or 3rd defenseman on a below-average AHL team while Lundkvist is playing a significant role on the 1st place SHL team. It's not clear to me that being the 2nd or 3rd best D on a team that will likely miss the AHL playoffs is dramatically better than that.

Then you add in the fact that Lundkvist is over 2 years younger and he's the clear pick for me.

Add Reunanen, who I would also have ahead of Hajek. They're less than a month apart, so age isn't a factor.
- Reunanen is the #1 defenseman on a top 5 team in Liiga. He's got great puck skills, has scored at almost a ppg in his past 10+ games, and is developing at a very fast rate.
- Hajek is the #2 or #3 defenseman on an AHL team that won't make the playoffs. He's struggled to move the puck and has had very limited offensive production.

Personally, it seems to me like Reunanen has moved ahead of Hajek this year, and when you factor in the higher upside due to more skill and a faster rate of progression too, Reunanen seems to me like the better prospect.

The one counterpoint I'll make is that a lot of Rangers defensemen seem to score at very low rates in the AHL. Pionk, McDonagh, Skjei, and DeAngelo all maintained or increased their scoring rates when they went from the Pack to the Rangers. But Hajek's never had a ton of offensive skill and I've watched enough Pack games to know that his struggles with the puck have been legitimate.

Well I have Lundkvist ahead of Hajek too but that said I think Lundkvist would be having a very tough time if he were in Hartford. The rinks are smaller and his size would be factoring against him. He's in the league he needs to be in that gives him time to fill out and get stronger. Hajek doesn't have that problem and he's the next on my list and he's also closer to the NHL than Lundkvist is right now.
 
Personally, I've got Lundkvist clearly ahead of Hajek. I think you could make a case that Lundkvist is a better player today:

- He's scoring at ~3x the rate that Hajek is. Based on Brannstrom more than doubling his scoring rate when he went from the SHL to the AHL and Lias scoring at basically the same rate in the AHL that he did in the SHL last year, despite playing with a shoulder injury in the AHL, I think you could make a case that the SHL is actually the tougher league to score in.
- This isn't just about the ability to contribute in the offensive zone. The puck skills, passing skills, and ability to read plays that it takes to produce points in lower pro leagues are the skills defensemen need to control possession, transition the puck to the forwards, and avoid turnovers in their own end in the NHL. In the games I've watched, Hajek has struggled with that in the AHL. The added potential Lundkvist has to contribute in the offensive zone is just gravy on top of that.
- If Hajek were head and shoulders above Lundkvist defensively, I think you could make an argument that they're even, but it's not clear to me that that's the case. Hajek is the 2nd or 3rd defenseman on a below-average AHL team while Lundkvist is playing a significant role on the 1st place SHL team. It's not clear to me that being the 2nd or 3rd best D on a team that will likely miss the AHL playoffs is dramatically better than that.

Then you add in the fact that Lundkvist is over 2 years younger and he's the clear pick for me.

Add Reunanen, who I would also have ahead of Hajek. They're less than a month apart, so age isn't a factor.
- Reunanen is the #1 defenseman on a top 5 team in Liiga. He's got great puck skills, has scored at almost a ppg in his past 10+ games, and is developing at a very fast rate.
- Hajek is the #2 or #3 defenseman on an AHL team that won't make the playoffs. He's struggled to move the puck and has had very limited offensive production.

Personally, it seems to me like Reunanen has moved ahead of Hajek this year, and when you factor in the higher upside due to more skill and a faster rate of progression too, Reunanen seems to me like the better prospect.

The one counterpoint I'll make is that a lot of Rangers defensemen seem to score at very low rates in the AHL. Pionk, McDonagh, Skjei, and DeAngelo all maintained or increased their scoring rates when they went from the Pack to the Rangers. But Hajek's never had a ton of offensive skill and I've watched enough Pack games to know that his struggles with the puck have been legitimate.

Lundkvist has 3 more points than Hajek, and some of those coming from when he was playing offense. Not sure using scoring is a good example at all...
 
I went Keane because I have a feeling he might end up our best D-Man out of who's left.Add Ragnarsson
 
Personally, I've got Lundkvist clearly ahead of Hajek. I think you could make a case that Lundkvist is a better player today:

- He's scoring at ~3x the rate that Hajek is. Based on Brannstrom more than doubling his scoring rate when he went from the SHL to the AHL and Lias scoring at basically the same rate in the AHL that he did in the SHL last year, despite playing with a shoulder injury in the AHL, I think you could make a case that the SHL is actually the tougher league to score in.
- This isn't just about the ability to contribute in the offensive zone. The puck skills, passing skills, and ability to read plays that it takes to produce points in lower pro leagues are the skills defensemen need to control possession, transition the puck to the forwards, and avoid turnovers in their own end in the NHL. In the games I've watched, Hajek has struggled with that in the AHL. The added potential Lundkvist has to contribute in the offensive zone is just gravy on top of that.
- If Hajek were head and shoulders above Lundkvist defensively, I think you could make an argument that they're even, but it's not clear to me that that's the case. Hajek is the 2nd or 3rd defenseman on a below-average AHL team while Lundkvist is playing a significant role on the 1st place SHL team. It's not clear to me that being the 2nd or 3rd best D on a team that will likely miss the AHL playoffs is dramatically better than that.

Then you add in the fact that Lundkvist is over 2 years younger and he's the clear pick for me.

Add Reunanen, who I would also have ahead of Hajek. They're less than a month apart, so age isn't a factor.
- Reunanen is the #1 defenseman on a top 5 team in Liiga. He's got great puck skills, has scored at almost a ppg in his past 10+ games, and is developing at a very fast rate.
- Hajek is the #2 or #3 defenseman on an AHL team that won't make the playoffs. He's struggled to move the puck and has had very limited offensive production.

Personally, it seems to me like Reunanen has moved ahead of Hajek this year, and when you factor in the higher upside due to more skill and a faster rate of progression too, Reunanen seems to me like the better prospect.

The one counterpoint I'll make is that a lot of Rangers defensemen seem to score at very low rates in the AHL. Pionk, McDonagh, Skjei, and DeAngelo all maintained or increased their scoring rates when they went from the Pack to the Rangers. But Hajek's never had a ton of offensive skill and I've watched enough Pack games to know that his struggles with the puck have been legitimate.
I don’t have the time or energy to go point by point on this, but I just want to say that I think you’re really underselling Hajek
 
Lundkvist has 3 more points than Hajek, and some of those coming from when he was playing offense. Not sure using scoring is a good example at all...

Yeah, it's not a perfect metric, but in the absence of a better metric, it's meaningful. Either way, I don't think there's any question that Lundkvists ability to manage the puck is considerably ahead of Hajeks.

I'll put it this way. Marc Staal has never had a season in the NHL where he's scored at a lower rate than Hajek is in the AHL. That doesn't happen without a material deficiency.
 
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Yeah, it's not a perfect metric, but in the absence of a better metric, it's meaningful. Either way, I don't think there's any question that Lundkvists ability to manage the puck is considerably ahead of Hajeks.

I'll put it this way. Marc Staal has never had a season in the NHL where he's scored at a lower rate than Hajek is in the AHL. That doesn't happen without a material deficiency.
Maybe, but I feel the same about Hajeks defense compared to Lundqvist's at this time(though obviously to be fair like you said Lundqvist 2 years younger)

I have them close to each other but gave Hajek the nod because he is more NHL ready right now and I think they both have close to the same ceiling.
 
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I don’t have the time or energy to go point by point on this, but I just want to say that I think you’re really underselling Hajek

Would be interesting in hearing your rationale if you're willing to share another time.

I do think Hajek skates well and is a solid defender, but even in juniors he never scored at a high rate and in the games I've watched him play in the AHL, he's struggled to move the puck. I think it's a material deficiency he has to improve to get to an NHL level.
 
Yeah, it's not a perfect metric, but in the absence of a better metric, it's meaningful. Either way, I don't think there's any question that Lundkvists ability to manage the puck is considerably ahead of Hajeks.

I'll put it this way. Marc Staal has never had a season in the NHL where he's scored at a lower rate than Hajek is in the AHL. That doesn't happen without a material deficiency.
I wouldn’t look at points in the AHL for a young defenseman, Hajek is a good puck mover
Also, he’s defensively oriented, he’s not gonna be a 30+ point defenseman if he makes it. Should be a solid 4D capable of ~20 points
 
This is a toss up between Lundkvist and Hajek for me.

Flipped a coin and went with Nils.

What’s he doing in the SHL is pretty cool considering the league and his age.
 
Hajek hasn't scored at any level.

When he was a child, he couldn't even score on the other children.

Guys who are an offensive wasteland don't tend to translate well at the highest level.
 

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