Rangers Prospect Ranking: (Winter 2019) - #5

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#5 Prospect


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Also I think it's kinda crazy that we're talking about Rykov, Keane, and Reunanen but not Lindgren.

Personally, I worry about Hajek having the puck skills to make it in the NHL, so my concerns about Lindgren are even more significant. For me, it puts him clearly behind the guys like Keane, Reunanen, and Rykov who have an offensive dimension that should translate into being able to manage the puck at an NHL level (and are still good defensively) while Lindgren doesn't.

I don't worry that much about Howden going through a tough period in the NHL. It's a tough adjustment, especially straight from a junior league, and I think it's pretty normal for a player to go through a lull. My sense is the first 20 games where scored 0.5 ppg, albeit with a high shooting percentage, are a more meaningful indicator of what he'll be.
 
I feel like the three of them have higher ceilings, but Lindgren is just closer
I like all of them. That said...

Reunanen was literally a nonentity until three months ago. I know his background and all that, but he had become a nothing. I'd like to see another good season from him before getting too excited. Hell, he could bomb next year and not even get a deal.

Rykov, I liked at the WJC years ago. I have seen almost nothing of him since then. There are very few posters here that can claim to be personally familiar with his game. I don't really know his upside. People used to call him a two-way guy but he has never really developed the offensive side, from what I've read and from what the statistics indicate. Plus, that transition from the KHL to NHL can be really tough and unpredictable.

Keane is easier for me to understand. Legitimate two-way guy who controls play.

Still, Lindgren I feel gets overlooked because he's not flashy. But he was a very good college player, always very good for Team USA, and IMO is having a strong rookie season. Realistically he probably ends up as a good 5/6, but I could absolutely see things breaking right and him playing well on a second pair with an offensively-inclined partner. So if I say his upside is second pairing, for me, that's as good as any of those other three.

JMO, though.
 
I like all of them. That said...

Reunanen was literally a nonentity until three months ago. I know his background and all that, but he had become a nothing. I'd like to see another good season from him before getting too excited. Hell, he could bomb next year and not even get a deal.

Rykov, I liked at the WJC years ago. I have seen almost nothing of him since then. There are very few posters here that can claim to be personally familiar with his game. I don't really know his upside. People used to call him a two-way guy but he has never really developed the offensive side, from what I've read and from what the statistics indicate. Plus, that transition from the KHL to NHL can be really tough and unpredictable.

Keane is easier for me to understand. Legitimate two-way guy who controls play.

Still, Lindgren I feel gets overlooked because he's not flashy. But he was a very good college player, always very good for Team USA, and IMO is having a strong rookie season. Realistically he probably ends up as a good 5/6, but I could absolutely see things breaking right and him playing well on a second pair with an offensively-inclined partner. So if I say his upside is second pairing, for me, that's as good as any of those other three.

JMO, though.
I understand it from both sides, I’m just spitballing why people would like the others more. That said, I think like Rykov the best out of them and probably Lindgren the least, but I’m not really in love or all that excited about any of them yet
 
I like all of them. That said...

Reunanen was literally a nonentity until three months ago. I know his background and all that, but he had become a nothing. I'd like to see another good season from him before getting too excited. Hell, he could bomb next year and not even get a deal.

Rykov, I liked at the WJC years ago. I have seen almost nothing of him since then. There are very few posters here that can claim to be personally familiar with his game. I don't really know his upside. People used to call him a two-way guy but he has never really developed the offensive side, from what I've read and from what the statistics indicate. Plus, that transition from the KHL to NHL can be really tough and unpredictable.

Keane is easier for me to understand. Legitimate two-way guy who controls play.

Still, Lindgren I feel gets overlooked because he's not flashy. But he was a very good college player, always very good for Team USA, and IMO is having a strong rookie season. Realistically he probably ends up as a good 5/6, but I could absolutely see things breaking right and him playing well on a second pair with an offensively-inclined partner. So if I say his upside is second pairing, for me, that's as good as any of those other three.

JMO, though.

Personally, I'm inclined to gamble on the fast risers like Reunanen. If he's established that he can play as a #1 D in Liiga at this point, it doesn't seem to me like the odds of him forgetting how to do it or losing his physical ability should be that much higher than they would be other players at that level. On the other hand, if he has another year like this one developmentally, you could end up with a home run. If there's some chance that Reunanen could be the next John Klingberg, for example, I tend to put disproportionate amount of weight on that and if I end up being a little too low on a guy who becomes a #6 D because of it, I can live with that.

Reunanen's history is interesting to me too because the potential has always been there, but he hasn't performed well the last couple years as he's struggled to stay healthy and get on the ice in a consistent role. Now that his development exploding with some consistency in his health / situation, it seems to me there's a real chance that he was just held back by the injuries / inconsistent playing situation, and can continue to develop at a high rate as long as he stays on the ice.

I've seen a bunch of clips of Rykov where he moves and passes the puck very well in the offensive zone. I agree the lack of production is a concern, but I'm inclined to believe that the skill is there based on what I've seen. On the other hand, I've watched enough Pack games to know that the puck management issues for Hajek (and even moreso for Lindgren) are real. It doesn't mean they can't develop them with more time (they've only spent half a season in the AHL), but it is a bigger concern for me with them than with Rykov.
 
Miller here. Howden could use some AHL time IMO. Quinn has this bug up his behind about Lias. I don't like it.
 
I just want to clarify regarding Tarmo: he has not really had any known health problems the past two years. He has been healthy, he just couldn't establish a regular role outside of two years ago when he played second pair duties for his Mestis team.
 
I just want to clarify regarding Tarmo: he has not really had any known health problems the past two years. He has been healthy, he just couldn't establish a regular role outside of two years ago when he played second pair duties for his Mestis team.

I think the timeline more or less is:

2015 - top prospect
2016 - injured
2017 - on 3 different teams, coming back from season ending injury
2018 - on 4 different teams
2019 - breakout

Do you disagree with that?
 
I think the timeline more or less is:

2015 - top prospect
2016 - injured
2017 - on 3 different teams, coming back from season ending injury
2018 - on 4 different teams
2019 - breakout

Do you disagree with that?
Yeah, that's right.
 
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Here's the last thing I'll say on Lindgren/the defensemen and then I'll let it go, since I'm in the minority and not changing any minds. :laugh:

In the summer, Lindgren was ranked 10th in our system. Pionk has graduated, so you can consider it ninth for the sake of argument. We're picking our 5th prospect, with 5 more up there, so adding prospect 11. It's going to be Keane (prev. 24th). Then, it sounds like we'll add Tarmo (unranked) and I've also seen mentions for Gettinger (27th) and Barron (18th). So it looks like, at best, Lindgren will be the 14th prospect added, which doesn't even guarantee he's the 14th prospect chosen. He could end up 15th or 16th.

For him to fall multiple spots seems pretty unreasonable, to me. We voted him 10th for a reason; he was a very good college defenseman, he was very good on the international stage, he played well in his cup of coffee with Hartford last year, and he profiles anywhere from a 4-6D who is tough, a solid skater, and capable of carrying the puck and moving it around a little. And to add to that, he's having at least a decent rookie campaign, if not a good one, depending on whose opinion you want to trust (and I trust mine, LOL). He was 10th and has continued to do what was asked and expected of him.

Now, he's going to get jumped by Tarmo. Tarmo has great tools, no doubt, but this is literally the first time he has ever come close to putting it together. He deserves a lot of credit for doing what he is doing, but I can't take him from being unranked and have him jump a guy who also has second pair upside and has always performed as expected. Rykov--playing well in the KHL gets you a lot of credit, I get that. Playing well in the KHL is also hardly a guarantee for success in North America, as we know. Bereglazov was supposed to be a great UFA signing who would transition seamlessly to North America, and we know how that went. I'm not comparing Rykov and Bereglazov; just the idea that it's tough to transition.

And then Keane. Keane was really good in the WJSS. He's having a solid season. He's again moving to a juggernaut. What's his upside? Second pair, two-way guy? I like him, I really do. I think the hype train is a little out of control. What has he done to jump from 24 into the top 11 or so? I don't think anything, really. He should move up on the strength of meeting expectations and some other guys falling off, but I wouldn't jump him ahead of a guy I think has similar value and is further along.

I just feel like since Lindgren doesn't yet contribute any offense, he's seen as a lesser prospect, and he's going to fall in the rankings multiple spots despite the fact that he's the same guy we really liked in the summer and hasn't done anything to drop his stock. I mean when I see "Add Gross" before we're adding Lindgren, it's kind of maddening to me.
 
Wasn't Tarmo really young when he was drafted too?
Yup. Drafted in 2006 as a pretty young 18. He's going to be 20 still for most of the year.

Prior to his draft year, he was considered a guy who would go in the top 60 picks, for sure. Then he was diagnosed with a torn ass (literally-gluteal tear), which after months was eventually discovered to be a disc prolapse. Then he had surgery for that. He missed most of his draft season, only playing the final dozen games and a few playoff games. That's why he fell to round four. His D+1 season he got stuck primarily in Mestis where he bounced between the second and third pair, primarily. Then his D+2 season he started with TPS in Liiga but played little, officially 25 games but maybe 10 of those he was the "7th D" where he didn't play but was credited with a game played. He was sent down to the U20 squad, was briefly loaned to a Mestis team that only played him in half the available games, then Lukko acquired him an used him sporadically. Finally, this year, Lukko ramped up his usage after a somewhat uneven start and now he's their clear #1D.
 
Yeah and that's just it. He's not exciting. He's still a very good prospect, though.

Yeah, I know personally I haven't seen a lot to get excited about. Most highlights I've seen of him are of his big hits. Which is fine, but I'm more interested in his ability to skate well and move the puck, and I haven't heard anyone report that he can do either of those things particularly well. So without solid numbers, and without any glowing reports to go off of, I'm not sure what to make of him. Tarmo's rise is something we can measure - in his traditional stats, in his ice time, and I've even seen some posts regarding his stellar advanced stats which are encouraging. If similar information is out there about Lindgren, I haven't seen it.
 

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