Rangers Prospect Ranking: (BONUS ROUND) - Brendan Lemieux

[aufheben]

Do y'all think he has Tom Wilson potential?

If he took a dip in some Ninja Turtle ooze, maybe,

 

[nyr2k2]

Wilson is bigger, faster, stronger, and more physical. Lemieux can't match that. However in terms of pure offensive skill I think they're pretty close. Like, let Lemieux take regular shifts with Backstrom or Kuznetsov or Ovechkin and I think he could produce similarly to Wilson.

 

[eco's bones]

Wilson is bigger, faster, stronger, and more physical. Lemieux can't match that. However in terms of pure offensive skill I think they're pretty close. Like, let Lemieux take regular shifts with Backstrom or Kuznetsov or Ovechkin and I think he could produce similarly to Wilson.

I think Lemieux has a similar skill level and if the Rangers nurture it he'll produce more. To me that's what has happened with Wilson--drop him down to the third line and I think he'd produce pretty okay numbers now just because he's more confident in his offensive abilities. IMO that would not have happened if they hadn't started playing him with Ovechkin and Backstrom. The Rangers had a version of that a long time ago when they put Vic Hadfield with Ratelle and Gilbert.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I agree.

Same question goes for you then because I'm curious for the reasoning:

I'm actually a bit confused how you can see a sure fire NHLer, who could potentially be a decent 3rd liner..is behind a couple of players who might not sniff the NHL?

 

[eco's bones]

Same question goes for you then because I'm curious for the reasoning:

I'm actually a bit confused how you can see a sure fire NHLer, who could potentially be a decent 3rd liner..is behind a couple of players who might not sniff the NHL?

Lemieux is just further along in his development than some others. I think he's got what it takes to be a pretty good and gritty NHL 3rd liner. That's a good thing--I think he helps his cause by slimming down though. As far as the others listed so far I like them better--I think to a player they all have higher upsides. I also think Lindgren has at least as high an upside and that both Henriksson and Keane may be even higher. It's not to criticize Lemieux--just happens that the Rangers have in the last couple years acquired a shitload of quality prospects--a number of whom are blue chip.

Tangential to that though is a quality that Lemiuex brings which I think shouldn't be underestimated and that's the physical thing--because IMO a hockey team that doesn't have enough grit is a sitting duck for those that do have it and that is especially true in the playoffs. So we absolutely need players like Lemieux and maybe Lindgren who has a bit of edge too. The Rangers to me right now are a bit short in that regard so I see Lemieux as an important player for us.

 

[Crease]

If Avery and Prust had a baby, it would be Lemieux.

 

[Good Intentions]

no because tom wilson is a huge and fast serial killer on skates. i don’t think there’s anyone in any system like him.

That’s a hell of a one-liner, but Lemieux fits that police sketch to perfection.

 

[darko]

Right behind Lias

 

[kovazub94]

Maybe 1-2% would vote that low. Sorry can't have every choice on there.

I'm acutally a bit confused how you can see a sure fire NHLer, who could potentially be a decent 3rd liner..is behind a couple of players who might not sniff the NHL?

I’m more surprised that you listed ##6,7,8,9. What gives?

 

[Edge]

Would have him at 12.

There’s a lot to like there, but he’s also a guy who can be easy to over-project because it’s easy to fall for the rough and tumble types.

If he can turn into a pain in the ass third line wing who chips in points, that’s awesome.

 

[Alluckks]

Sandwiched him between Hajek and Rykov; I had those two defensemen as about equal and I’d probably have Lemiuex as their forward equivalent, so in between them seems fair

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lemieux is just further along in his development than some others. I think he's got what it takes to be a pretty good and gritty NHL 3rd liner. That's a good thing--I think he helps his cause by slimming down though. As far as the others listed so far I like them better--I think to a player they all have higher upsides. I also think Lindgren has at least as high an upside and that both Henriksson and Keane may be even higher. It's not to criticize Lemieux--just happens that the Rangers have in the last couple years acquired a ****load of quality prospects--a number of whom are blue chip.

Tangential to that though is a quality that Lemiuex brings which I think shouldn't be underestimated and that's the physical thing--because IMO a hockey team that doesn't have enough grit is a sitting duck for those that do have it and that is especially true in the playoffs. So we absolutely need players like Lemieux and maybe Lindgren who has a bit of edge too. The Rangers to me right now are a bit short in that regard so I see Lemieux as an important player for us.

Fair enough, i can get on board with that, thanks for the explanation!

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I’m more surprised that you listed ##6,7,8,9. What gives?

For the posters who view NHL readiness over potential. I know there are some. There is no wrong way to rate or vote.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

For the posters who view NHL readiness over potential. I know there are some. There is no wrong way to rate or vote.

I’m not one, but I agree that providing option for those who are is the right way to go. Kudos.

 

[kovazub94]

I’m not one, but I agree that providing option for those who are is the right way to go. Kudos.

With Chytil and Lias it wouldn’t even be possible to be higher (lower?) than 8. With Georgiev it would be the 10 spot - even for those that count readiness ahead of potential.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

With Chytil and Lias it wouldn’t even be possible to be higher (lower?) than 8. With Georgiev it would be the 10 spot - even for those that count readiness ahead of potential.

Well not everyone votes like that, clearly why they aren't voted higher (lower?). But i know we had discussions in the past how people vote and there were a bunch who factor in both potential and nhl readiness with some leaning heavier on the other for certain votes.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Well not everyone votes like that, clearly why they aren't voted higher (lower?). But i know we had discussions in the past how people vote and there were a bunch who factor in both potential and nhl readiness with some leaning heavier on the other for certain votes.

If people vote by NHL readiness let's just rank the players by games played. Seems silly. People just don't want to go on a limb and go with the safe choice.

 

[eco's bones]

Fair enough, i can get on board with that, thanks for the explanation!

I'll reiterate--I don't think he's the next Tom Wilson though. I don't like Wilson by the way as a hockey player--he's really, really dirty. Wilson by today's standards though is a top 5-10 fighter. He'll beat most people he gets into a scrap with and the ones he doesn't will usually be draws. Of those guys that will be a problem for him--they're bigger guys than Lemieux--Reaves, McQuaid, Harpur, Lucic, Chara--maybe Kevan Miller, Engelland, Byfuglien--guys like that.

 

[Savant]

I see Michael Ferland potential. Not Wilson.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If people vote by NHL readiness let's just rank the players by games played. Seems silly. People just don't want to go on a limb and go with the safe choice.

I must have been out of it when I posted that....I didnt mean NHL readiness, I meant "Likely to reach potential" which yes does factor in NHL readiness but is a little more broad.

 

[chosen]

Do y'all think he has Tom Wilson potential?

Not even close. Wilson is a horse. Lemieux is a pest.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I see Michael Ferland potential. Not Wilson.

Yeah this is what I hope he turns into.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Just to continue:


For example...Barron, has maybe 2nd line potential, but what are the odds he will reach that? 10-15%? What are the odds he at least becomes an NHL player on at least the 4th line? 50%(being generous)? He still has a ways to go. Lemiuex is much more likely to reach his 3rd line potential because he's basically almost there and at the very least is an NHL player. So are people over factoring in potential instead of combining multiple aspects? Very likely.

(of course i'm just throwing out numbers with nothing to back them up except the likihood previous players made the NHL based on their Junior/College play)

 

[Leetch3]

Just to continue:


For example...Barron, has maybe 2nd line potential, but what are the odds he will reach that? 10-15%? What are the odds he at least becomes an NHL player on at least the 4th line? 50%(being generous)? He still has a ways to go. Lemiuex is much more likely to reach his 3rd line potential because he's basically almost there and at the very least is an NHL player. So are people over factoring in potential instead of combining multiple aspects? Very likely.

(of course i'm just throwing out numbers with nothing to back them up except the likihood previous players made the NHL based on their Junior/College play)

its a valid way of looking at it but very difficult to do without making nhl readiness a factor cause a guy who is closer has better odds of making it...thats the debate that I think you will see in the bottom 10 polls, you will get into guys who are older and could play in the nhl this year giving them much better odds of making it but have lower upside vs kids that have much higher upside but might be 4-5 years away and therefore have much higher odds of busting...

but whether you value odds of making it or upside potential or whatever if you are consistent in your rankings than either approach is valid

 

[mas0764]

I put him at 13, which means once again, I did it wrong.

Meant to have him after Robertson, which I now realize means he should actually be 14, counting Chytil and Howden.

Exactly where I put him but I voted correctly for 14.