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Rangers Prospect Poll Final Results - Summer 2017

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eco's bones said:
Well the summer's not over and the Rangers might bring in another C or even another forward or two and that could change the entire picture too.

FWIW though the FO gave us the scenario of Andersson making the team off his draft year--not any reporter or the fans. They were the ones who started talking that ****. No one else--the lofty expectations started there. I think the Rangers like Nieves a lot as well. A lot of size, speed there. Good puck skills--underwhelming point production throughout his four years at Michigan U. and even last year. We'll see. I will say I don't like Desharnais that much. Gabriel Fontaine's got talked up as well. Another dark horse--Paul Carey. Maybe one or all of them are more ready to play now than Andersson but I don't think it's going to be very long before Andersson is well past every one of them.
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I think FO said that he will get a chance, however it could very well be a standard interview speak when answering about an immediate future of most top 6-8 overall picks. If the Rangers didn't have such a glaring need for C we probably would not even be discussing NHL until after the 17-18 season.
 
kovazub94 said:
I think FO said that he will get a chance, however it could very well be a standard interview speak when answering about an immediate future of most top 6-8 overall picks. If the Rangers didn't have such a glaring need for C we probably would not even be discussing NHL until after the 17-18 season.
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One of the intriguing things about Tarmo was he was considered a potential 1st round pick before his injury derailed his draft season. Last year he said he wasn't able to fully work out. There all kinds of opinion flying around about him and at least some posters here did not like that he played almost the entire year in the Mestis and his not putting up productive numbers (for a PMD) only fueled the idea for at least some of them that he's too soft and already a bust. I'm not at that point after one year--if the coming season is anything like last year's I'll probably be at that point at the end of the year. If he moves up to Liiga with TPS and shows he can compete and keep a job though then that will be a good improvement.

Virta and Lakatos both seemed like shrewd picks on older draft eligible players--guys who are a little older but having success at higher levels of competition than the norm. The clips I've seen of Virta--really good skater, very good hands. He's also got great bloodlines.
 
eco's bones said:
If I were to rank them this is how it would go:

1. Buchnevich
2. Andersson
3. Shesterkin
4. Chytil
5. DeAngelo
6. Bereglazov
7. Pionk
8. Graves
9. Day
10. Nieves
11. Wall
12. Jensen
13. Gropp
14. Georgeiyev
15. Huska
16. Zborovskiy
17. Gettinger
18. Halverson
19. Pedrie
20. Sjalin
21. Fogarty
22. Tambellini
23. Kovacs
24. Ronning
25. Fontaine
26. Lakatos
27. Virta
28. Reunanen
29. Crawley
30. Lettieri
31. Nell
32. Barron
33. Leedahl
34. Catenacci
35. Gilmour
36. Stromwall
37. Nanne
38. Bernhardt
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Our 1-6 is identical. From there, I stray a little. But I also have it in tiers.

1. Buchnevich
2. Andersson
3. Shesterkin (I could make a very easy argument for swapping Andersson and Shesterkin)
4. Chytil

5. DeAngelo (Because of his upside)

6. Bereglazov


7. Graves
8. Gropp
9. Day
10. Pionk

11. Jensen
12. Wall
13. Nieves


13. Georgeiyev
14. Huska
15. Zborovskiy
16. Gettinger


17. Halverson
18. Sjalin
19. Lakatos
20. Pedrie
 
Edge said:
Our 1-6 is identical. From there, I stray a little. But I also have it in tiers.

1. Buchnevich
2. Andersson
3. Shesterkin (I could make a very easy argument for swapping Andersson and Shesterkin)
4. Chytil

5. DeAngelo (Because of his upside)

6. Bereglazov


7. Graves
8. Gropp
9. Day
10. Pionk

11. Jensen
12. Wall
13. Nieves


13. Georgeiyev
14. Huska
15. Zborovskiy
16. Gettinger


17. Halverson
18. Sjalin
19. Lakatos
20. Pedrie
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We're really really close.
 
Edge said:
Probably the biggest player I stray from, with most on the boards, is Gropp.

Personally, I like him. Don't think he's a future star, but I think he has the potential to be a good pro player.
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I kind of look at Gropp as a Reilly Smith type winger. He's not someone that's going to carry a line and he'll need to find chemistry with guys who can get him the puck. He has a quick release and very good finishing skills.
 
eco's bones said:
I kind of look at Gropp as a Reilly Smith type winger. He's not someone that's going to carry a line and he'll need to find chemistry with guys who can get him the puck. He has a quick release and very good finishing skills.
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From the minute Gropp was drafted I've said that his top end is as a prototypical support player. Basically, what you just said.

He's not going to carry a line, and he's not the guy who starts the offense. He's a guy who, if successful, finds the open spots --- including the slot, and camps out in those spots. While he's not going to use his size to hammer people, it should allow him to stand pat in those areas.

I've also said, that I theorize that his game will translate better in some ways to the pro game, than the junior game. That theory will start to be tested in a few months.

He's certainly one of the more polarizing prospects we've had on here in a long time.

Most times those polarizing players don't go anywhere.

Sometimes they are Ryan Callahan.
 
Edge said:
From the minute Gropp was drafted I've said that his top end is as a prototypical support player. Basically, what you just said.

He's not going to carry a line, and he's not the guy who starts the offense. He's a guy who, if successful, finds the open spots --- including the slot, and camps out in those spots. While he's not going to use his size to hammer people, it should allow him to stand pat in those areas.

I've also said, that I theorize that his game will translate better in some ways to the pro game, than the junior game. That theory will start to be tested in a few months.

He's certainly one of the more polarizing prospects we've had on here in a long time.

Most times those polarizing players don't go anywhere.

Sometimes they are Ryan Callahan.
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20-20+ goals in the AHL would be a good year for him. IMO it's also important that the coaching staff put him situations that are going to help him get there. It's also important he continues to round out the other parts of his game. If he can produce some and progress in his overall game then a cup of coffee here or there shouldn't be out of the question.
 
kovazub94 said:
Like Beacon I had serous concerns about Kovac jumping to AHL last season. The retort was always that FO saw him and thought that he was ready.

My concern right now is whether it permanently affected his development or it something he could recover from with hopefully a better use and better team around him.

P.S. I have similar concerns with LA coming over to the NHL this season. Just a context: Zuke was MVP of the league, Lindberg MVP of playoffs and Fast - a very good player when they came over and still had to spend good chunk of time in the A.
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I'd argue that him being involved in a deadly street race probably has more of a chance at impacting his development. Who the hell knows how this kid will cope with it moving forward?
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I'd argue that him being involved in a deadly street race probably has more of a chance at impacting his development. Who the hell knows how this kid will cope with it moving forward?
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Beacon said that sticking with AHL at his age corresponds to a successful developmentally season (even though it probably would've been better to work on establishing himself as SHL regular). I can accept this point of view. Did it impact his development or would've he otherwise actually established himself in the SHL? I agree that we would never really know but hopefully it did not and Kovac is a top6 forward in the A next season or, at least a top6 - top 9 twinner.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I'd argue that him being involved in a deadly street race probably has more of a chance at impacting his development. Who the hell knows how this kid will cope with it moving forward?
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Funny how this point about Kovacs is pretty much being ignored. Something like that accident can mess with a person's psychology for a long time. Mentally I would think he's not in a really nice place right now. He dropped in the way I ranked him for pretty much two reasons---1. a not very good year last season and 2. this offseason tragedy he played a pretty large part in.
 
If Kovacs went to the Canadian Juniors, he'd be a top prospect for us right now in the mind of most fans. Kids routinely get punished for playing at high levels and praised for playing at low levels. Fogarty got 82 points in a low-level BCHL and that was enough to give people hope in him for over half a decade now.
 
Beacon said:
If Kovacs went to the Canadian Juniors, he'd be a top prospect for us right now in the mind of most fans. Kids routinely get punished for playing at high levels and praised for playing at low levels. Fogarty got 82 points in a low-level BCHL and that was enough to give people hope in him for over half a decade now.
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Your point regarding Fogarty is disingenuous. There were people that saw his point totals in the BCHL and thought he was going to be some kind of offensive weapon. That was silly. Those same people jumped ship when he failed to score at any kind of impressive rate in college. Anyone holding out hope for him at this stage is certainly basing it on his defensive game that he developed in college. We can argue till we're blue in the face about whether or not that's justified, but his current supporters don't give two ***** about what he did in the BCHL and I'm pretty certain you know that.
 
Beacon said:
If Kovacs went to the Canadian Juniors, he'd be a top prospect for us right now in the mind of most fans. Kids routinely get punished for playing at high levels and praised for playing at low levels. Fogarty got 82 points in a low-level BCHL and that was enough to give people hope in him for over half a decade now.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I don't even have someone like Gropp that high. I had him 15th, so if that was your point, I'm not really sure it applies. I had 1 player in my top 10 Ranger prospects who played in the CHL last season, Zborovskiy 9th, and thats because he actually was recognized as a top performer within the league. I definitely get your point about the CHL. If you are not one of the best players there, you probably won't make the NHL. Average CHL production isn't that much more impressive than Reunanen, Bernhardt not doing well in mens leagues in Europe.

I get the point with saying Kovacs was assigned to the AHL, Gropp back to junior, so Kovacs was put in a tougher league, but if Kovacs had been drafted out of the CHL and was then AHL/ECHL eligible, I think most would downgrade him for playing there. Lets not confuse other players not being as good as some think with Kovacs AHL production though. Its not very good.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Your point regarding Fogarty is disingenuous. There were people that saw his point totals in the BCHL and thought he was going to be some kind of offensive weapon. That was silly. Those same people jumped ship when he failed to score at any kind of impressive rate in college. Anyone holding out hope for him at this stage is certainly basing it on his defensive game that he developed in college. We can argue till we're blue in the face about whether or not that's justified, but his current supporters don't give two ***** about what he did in the BCHL and I'm pretty certain you know that.
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Pretty much how I see it. I think Fogarty at this point is a pretty long shot to play for the Rangers. I think in time though he could be a pretty decent to good AHL player....but his game is based more on defensive responsibility than on offensive production. That's why if somehow or other he does manage to make it that people figure him for a 4th liner. That said 20 points as a rookie pro last year in 66 games for a very much offensively challenged team wasn't really bad--especially when someone goes on and on about how he never got off the 4th line. There weren't very many forwards on the team that even got that.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't even have someone like Gropp that high. I had him 15th, so if that was your point, I'm not really sure it applies. I had 1 player in my top 10 Ranger prospects who played in the CHL last season, Zborovskiy 9th, and thats because he actually was recognized as a top performer within the league. I definitely get your point about the CHL. If you are not one of the best players there, you probably won't make the NHL. Average CHL production isn't that much more impressive than Reunanen, Bernhardt not doing well in mens leagues in Europe.

I get the point with saying Kovacs was assigned to the AHL, Gropp back to junior, so Kovacs was put in a tougher league, but if Kovacs had been drafted out of the CHL and was then AHL/ECHL eligible, I think most would downgrade him for playing there. Lets not confuse other players not being as good as some think with Kovacs AHL production though. Its not very good.
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Kovacs is probably a better prospect than Gropp, though it's hard to compare. He did make the AHL when Gropp did not. Gropp went hot late in the season, but we don't know if it's due to him improving or just a lucky/hot streak.

Kovacs had awful stats, but at times looked to have real talent. I'm much more eager to see how he does than Gropp. I may be wrong here, but my suspicion is that Kovacs has a better season than Gropp in 2017-18 for the same team at the same age.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Who does everyone think the biggest riser in the rankings will be?
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I think The Wall could rise a lot. Not only did he put up great stats as a true freshman, he but the other 3 goalies on the same team did much worse, so it's not just him being a passenger. Chris Nell could rise if he does well in Hartford. Hard to predict who rises since we do not know how will a kid develop this season.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Sjalin
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This is who I was thinking of too. Maybe Barron since we'll actually get a gauge of how he is against better competition, but I'm super high on the Sjalin pick. He's just such a smart defender. Idk if the offense will be there, but his defensive impacts will most likely be strong
 
Georgiev and Pedrie I think could be primed for good years. Lakatos and Virta, if they score a bunch of points, will jump up the list.

Sleeper is Barron. He supposedly has a ton of pure skill and if he turns in a good first half of his rookie season he'll jump up the list in a big way.
 
a few months later, how is your top 10 looking? curious about bereglazov and sjalin in particular.
anyone surprisingly on the rise?
 
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