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Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Poll: #7

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Graves, objectively, is an average skater at best. It's the biggest thing holding him back. Problem for him is he doesn't do anything else really well. Good shot but slow. I've never been big on him because I don't see any NHL skills. He's decent at things but has no plusses.
 
Beacon said:
It's a joke that Day was even close to Graves last round. Not one of his skills is close to Graves: size (6-4 220), shot (104 mph), skating, defense, smarts, physical fitness, everything across the board is better for Graves. The reason Day seems even close is that people just do not get how vast the gap from the Juniors to the AHL is. People realize there's a gap, just not how much of a gap, and how much easier it is for someone in the Juniors vs someone in the AHL.

Right now in the development camp, Sean Day gets to run over kids who will be HS gym coaches in 5 years. Graves, meanwhile, was playing against guys who spent a significant time, sometimes many years, in the NHL. So yeah, it's easier for Day to look good against guys who after college will be playing in the Chelsea Pier Beer League than it is for Graves to play against a guy who was just sent down from the NHL and will be right back within weeks. But the reality is that Graves is a much better player.

Add Wall. Terrific freshman year.
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I stopped reading at the bit where you say that Graves is a better skater than Day.
 
Guys, I love Day, but picking him over Pionk right now is a stretch.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Lets be fair here.

Day is a MUCH better skater than anyone. :laugh:

Graves is a pretty good skater for a player his size, he's no less mobile than someone like Nick Holden, and we all know mobility is not Holden's problem.

I also think you are completely wrong about offensive instincts and vision. Graves has really good offensive instincts and vision. People paint him as just this guy who can shoot the puck. I get that he's good at that, but he has above average vision and instincts.

I think Graves and Day are pretty similar players. They are both more offensive than defensive players. Day has elite skating, Graves has an elite shot, although Graves is a good skater and Day has a good shot. They both are above average with puck moving, offensive instincts, playmaking. They both have excellent size also. The main difference is that Graves is what a few years of good development would look like for Day. Graves defense is still a work in progress, but its at a high enough level that it can not be exposed in the NHL, its pretty good for the AHL, just not great for the AHL yet. Day would be completely exposed defensively in the NHL, and might even be so in the AHL this season, so I think arguing that Day>Graves makes little sense, although given who you voted for, I'm not sure you are arguing that. Some definitely are though.
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He specifically said skating though, which is completely laughable.

I think Day has much better offensive instincts and vision but that's fair enough to disagree i think, agree with most of the rest you say.

Day is just a natural going forward with the puck, he sees the ice really well when with the puck.

Graves has good offensive instincts in the sense that he's very good coming as the trailer 3rd-4th man and finishing the play, he doesn't have the passing vision imo.
 
Anyone saying that Graves is a better skater then Day has clearly never seen Day play, so anything he says in regards to Day should be completely ignored.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Anyone saying that Graves is a better skater then Day has clearly never seen Day play, so anything he says in regards to Day should be completely ignored.
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Graves is an average skater. If you're saying he's a better skater than someone you're saying that guy sucks at skating.

Although I learned last night on the trade board that he has first pairing potential, so maybe I'm completely wrong on the guy. :laugh:
 
nyr2k2 said:
Graves is an average skater. If you're saying he's a better skater than someone you're saying that guy sucks at skating.

Although I learned last night on the trade board that he has first pairing potential, so maybe I'm completely wrong on the guy. :laugh:
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Haha, i'm 100% with you here.
 
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