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Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Poll: #18

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Beacon

Beacon

Embrace the tank
May 28, 2007
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RW Robin Kovacs won round 17. G Brandon Halverson is added to the poll.

RULES CHANGE:

Since HF no longer functions beyond the forum, no reason to have their old rules. We do, however, need the same rules for everyone or else the rankings mean nothing.

SKATER PROSPECT: A player 24 or younger with 50 or fewer NHL games.

GOALIE PROSPECT: A player 25 or younger with 25 or fewer NHL games.

EXCEPTION 1: If a player completed the required 50/25 games, but is still not regarded as an NHL regular because he's shuffling between the NHL and the AHL, he could still be a prospect as long as he's 24 or younger and if agreed upon by most people here.

EXCEPTION 2: A player who is no older than 25 years old at the time of the vote and is a borderline NHLer could still count if agreed upon by most people here.

Please vote on who to add to the next round of polling.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. LW/RW Pavel Buchnevich
2. G Igor Shesterkin
3. C Lias Andersson
4. D Anthony DeAngelo
5. C Filip Chytil


SECOND TIER

6. D Alexei Bereglazov
7. D Ryan Graves
8. D Sean Day
9. D Neal Pionk
10. G Adam Huska
11. C/LW Cristoval "Boo" Nieves
12. LW Ryan Gropp
13. G Tyler Wall
14. D Sergey Zborovskiy
15. RW Nicklas Jensen


THIRD TIER

16. LW Tim Gettinger
17. RW Robin Kovacs


Robin Kovacs
Right Wing -- shoots L
Born Nov 16 1996 -- Stockholm, Sweden
Height 6.00 -- Weight 172

2016-17 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 72GP 2 10 12 20PIM


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AVAILABLE PROSPECTS

GOALIES

G Chris Nell


DEFENSEMEN

D Brandon Crawley
D John Gilmour


FORWARDS

C Adam Tambellini
RW Daniel Bernhardt
LW Dawson Leedahl
C Gabriel Fontaine
LW Malte Stromwall
C Morgan Barron
C Patrik Virta
C Steven Fogarty
RW Tyler Nanne
RW Vinni Lettieri


GRADUATED OR GONE:

1. LW Jimmy Vesey
2. D Brady Skjei
3. C/LW Marek Hrivik
4. D Troy Donnay
5. G Mackenzie Skapski
6. C Brad Morrison
7. D Tommy Hughes
8. RW Adam Chapie
9. G Mackenzie Skapski
10. D Michael Paliotta
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It's a joke that Crawley is not up there. I guess everyone here knows more than Rangers staff that just drafted him ahead of 2 guys who are already up there, along with other crap prospects.

Ty Ronning? Ok, he has a little speed and works hard, but way too small and nowhere near the talent to make the NHL. This is a typical example of not understanding how vast is the gap between the NHL and the Juniors. His speed burns kids, but won't burn NHLers; his hard work gets results against kids, but he doesn't have the talent to make that matter against NHLers.

Halverson sucks too. I've written that he sucks since he won 40+ straight games in the Juniors and so far nothing changed my opinion. He was a mediocre ECHL goalie and a terrible AHL goalie lastseason.

Tarmo is playing in a very low level league and is merely average there, still unable to crack the Liiga, which is below the NHL, KHL, SHL, AHL and the Swiss league. And he's not even dominating Mestis, he's just a second pair guy there. He's still young, so there's hope, but not much to see so far.

Maybe Pedrie is ok, but nobody here really knows much about him (unless I missed some posts). Lakatos and Stalin were both just drafted after Crawley, and nothing changed since the draft.

I guess I'll go with Stalin since he got drafted half a round earlier than Lakatos. Would've gone with Crawley if I could.
 
Sjalin. Crawley.

On Ronning--I was actually impressed by how he finished the season in Hartford last year. His size is an issue--his stats in the WHL not bad considering the talent of the team he played for. If nothing else I can see him becoming a very good AHL player or even a KHL guy.

Reunanen's had to deal with injuries. The Mestis is to Liiga what Swedish-1 is to the SHL--it's not a beer league.

There are others I still think are interesting--Fogarty, VIrta, Leedahl, Nell, Lettieri, Barron, Fontaine. Maybe none of them will become NHL players but we'll see.
 
It's nice to even have prospects to talk about at these spots :laugh:

I'm going with Tarmo because I think we'll see him bounce back to pre-injury form. Lakatos and Sjallin are two picks I really liked from this draft, and I'm eager to watch them this year. Add Crawley
 
Beacon said:
It's a joke that Crawley is not up there. I guess everyone here knows more than Rangers staff that just drafted him ahead of 2 guys who are already up there, along with other crap prospects.
Ty Ronning? Ok, he has a little speed and works hard, but way too small and nowhere near the talent to make the NHL. This is a typical example of not understanding how vast is the gap between the NHL and the Juniors. His speed burns kids, but won't burn NHLers; his hard work gets results against kids, but he doesn't have the talent to make that matter against NHLers.
Halverson sucks too. I've written that he sucks since he won 40+ straight games in the Juniors and so far nothing changed my opinion. He was a mediocre ECHL goalie and a terrible AHL goalie lastseason.
Tarmo is playing in a very low level league and is merely average there, still unable to crack the Liiga, which is below the NHL, KHL, SHL, AHL and the Swiss league. And he's not even dominating Mestis, he's just a second pair guy there. He's still young, so there's hope, but not much to see so far.
Maybe Pedrie is ok, but nobody here really knows much about him (unless I missed some posts). Lakatos and Stalin were both just drafted after Crawley, and nothing changed since the draft.
I guess I'll go with S(j)alin since he got drafted half a round earlier than Lakatos. Would've gone with Crawley if I could.
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i agree, we have a list of choices of guys that IMHO rate below a handful of guys not listed - i would have Tambo, Leedahl, Crawley, Fontaine ahead of most of today's choices

part of the problem with the results captured in this poll, is the design of the poll, not the voters
i am sure there are limitations to how polls can be configured here,
but "choose one, elevate one", doesn't work well to capture the views of so many folks relating to so many choices
 
I'm gonna go ahead and go Pedrie. The Rangers scouted him and liked him enough to offer him a contract after 2 pretty good years in college. Guys like Ronning and Reunanen may never even get an ELC. I like the scouting reports I read on Pedrie and I liked what I saw in the couple games I caught at the end of last season. He stepped right into the lineup, was given prime PP time and produced. He's older than the rest of the guys which could be seen as a knock, but I'm liking the potential here.

Adding guys from here out is tough. There are quite a few guys that I think deserve to be added with little separating them other than when and where they were picked/signed.

I agree that Crawley should be up there based on the fact that we just took him where we did. I have reservations about the pick but quite a few people that follow his team and the OHL in general have said good things about him. So, let's go Crawley.
 
cwede said:
i agree, we have a list of choices of guys that IMHO rate below a handful of guys not listed - i would have Tambo, Leedahl, Crawley, Fontaine ahead of most of today's choices

part of the problem with the results captured in this poll, is the design of the poll, not the voters
i am sure there are limitations to how polls can be configured here,
but "choose one, elevate one", doesn't work well to capture the views of so many folks relating to so many choices
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The challenge at this point is that you're really splitting hairs. We're hovering somewhere in the third tier with guys facing long odds. There isn't necessarily a heck of a whole lot seperating 15 from 20 most times.
 
Beacon said:
It's a joke that Crawley is not up there. I guess everyone here knows more than Rangers staff that just drafted him ahead of 2 guys who are already up there, along with other crap prospects.

Ty Ronning? Ok, he has a little speed and works hard, but way too small and nowhere near the talent to make the NHL. This is a typical example of not understanding how vast is the gap between the NHL and the Juniors. His speed burns kids, but won't burn NHLers; his hard work gets results against kids, but he doesn't have the talent to make that matter against NHLers.

Halverson sucks too. I've written that he sucks since he won 40+ straight games in the Juniors and so far nothing changed my opinion. He was a mediocre ECHL goalie and a terrible AHL goalie lastseason.

Tarmo is playing in a very low level league and is merely average there, still unable to crack the Liiga, which is below the NHL, KHL, SHL, AHL and the Swiss league. And he's not even dominating Mestis, he's just a second pair guy there. He's still young, so there's hope, but not much to see so far.

Maybe Pedrie is ok, but nobody here really knows much about him (unless I missed some posts). Lakatos and Stalin were both just drafted after Crawley, and nothing changed since the draft.

I guess I'll go with Stalin since he got drafted half a round earlier than Lakatos. Would've gone with Crawley if I could.
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Everyone has been pumping the Kovacs bandwagon, yet you kill Ronning. Ronning out produced him in his short AHL stint. He should be getting an ELC. Ronning is basically a full year younger than him to boot. Doesn't fit the narrative, cause he's small and won't produce at the NHL level, yet outproduced a guy who is bigger and a year older than him in a men's league.

Crawley is a meh overage defender. He's left handed, which there is a surplus of in our system and in the league in general. He got compared to a Girardi-type and people are sour on that style cause of the last few years, not the overall career. Should be on the list by now.

Tarmo is coming off an injury that set him back for a while. We'll see where he is this season.
 
I have no interest in getting into a big argument regarding Crawley. That aside, I have to say it makes little to no difference whether a guy got picked in the fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. The difference in expected outcomes between picks past the second or third round is virtually negligible.

Judge guys on their scouting reports, video, etc. It's entirely possible the scouting staff like some of the guys picked after Crawley better than him, but knew those guys would drop farther due to obscurity or other factors. Namita Nandakumar has done a lot of great research on this stuff if people want to read up on it.

Here's an intro to her work if people are curious (it's a pdf): https://hockeygraphsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/2-nandakumar-vanhac-slides.pdf
 
Zil said:
I have no interest in getting into a big argument regarding Crawley. That aside, I have to say it makes little to no difference whether a guy got picked in the fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. The difference in expected outcomes between picks past the second or third round is virtually negligible.

Judge guys on their scouting reports, video, etc. It's entirely possible the scouting staff like some of the guys picked after Crawley better than him, but knew those guys would drop farther due to obscurity or other factors. Namita Nandakumar has done a lot of great research on this stuff if people want to read up on it.

Here's an intro to her work if people are curious (it's a pdf): https://hockeygraphsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/2-nandakumar-vanhac-slides.pdf
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That's something that gets overlooked a lot.

It's not just about liking a player, or even how you view their upside, it's also about where you think they'll get taken.

For example, The Rangers could have Andersson and Chytil rated very similarly. However, they feel Chytil isn't as likely to go early so they wait on him. Same basic principles apply to later rounds.
 
Sjalin add Virta

I think this is the point where I don't like anyone else's chances though. Unless everything breaks right for Ronning of Halverson.
 
the Crawley topic is interesting because it seems folks here undervalue him because he wasnt drafted a year or 2 earlier
but hey, guess what, after a couple more years of junior, you get a more reliable idea of the player the kid can become, compared to gues-timating what a 17 or 18 year old will become based on his best shows of young talent

we can sign a graduating NCAA player at 22 and rank him high among the prospects,
but draft a 20 year old and he gets label a too-old and a wasted pick

i have a simple view of prospects' development - for most of them, by year 3 they should be getting some NHL looks and by year 4 they should be at least part time NHL players
 
Lets be real here.

Its obvious why some people don't like Crawley without having watched him play. Look at his thread for when he was drafted. He's gonna be another one who has an uphill climb with fans.
 
Stop with that dumb narrative please, you're using it in every single thread about a big defensive minded D-man that you like whenever anyone is even a little bit critical or negative.
 
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