Proposal: Rangers - Ottawa

[Nordic*]

Rangers get Ryan & 1st 2017.

Ottawa get Miller & 3rd 2017.


Done deal?

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[MMC]

Don't think either team is down

 

[JetsHomer]

Salary cap is not a thing in your world I take it?

 

[Grazzy]

How about a three way trade where the canucks give up Ryan Miller for Ryan and Miller?

 

[internetdotcom]

No thanks from Ottawa. Neither Bobby Ryan nor the 2017 1st are going anywhere, especially since we already don't have a 2nd round pick in either of the next 2 drafts.

 

[Savant]

Rangers turn this down very quickly. This deal is the opposite of what the front office is trying to do now. And just no.

 

[Uchiha]

Sens do this.

 

[Legend123]

Sens do this.

And why would the sens trade their first for Miller? It can easily be another top 10ish pick.
The only reason I can see is if the Sens wanna get rid of that contract, which prob has negative value, and want to use that money to spend on Karlsson. But then again no way the rangers do this.
Worst trade idea ever.

 

[Legend123]

Rangers turn this down very quickly. This deal is the opposite of what the front office is trying to do now. And just no.

agreed. Rangers seem to finally realize that trading for superstars and/or former superstars wont win you cups.

 

[Clamshells]

Sens do this.

Sens definitely do not do this. People here can be as sour as they want on Ryan because of his contract, but he does have value to the team, and the team clearly is good with the contract they gave him. Consider that Ottawa is one of most, if not the stingiest team in terms of dollars, and we've never heard anything about Ryan being on the block. That's very telling of what the organization thinks of his contract.

Miller is good but most people on this board have Ottawa finishing outside of the playoffs (some saying bottom 10 team) making that pick very valuable. If we consider Miller being worth a pick in the 8-14 range, then that puts Ryan for a 3rd. That's a joke. If that's what your assessment of Ryan's value is, then just pull him out of the deal completely and Ottawa will happily keep him and his contract.

Here are some players who put up similar production at a similar salary/cap hit:

|Cap|Salary|Pts|Pts/82
D Sedin|7|7|61|61
Koivu|6.75|7.29|56|56
Ryan|7.25|6.5|56|57
H Sedin|7|7|55|61
Parise|7.5|9|53|62
Statsny|7|7|49|63

Granted almost all of these guys have contracts expiring in 2 years, it still shows that this kind of cap hit per production isn't uncommon. Those are some pretty good players who are worth a lot more than a 3rd round pick. Parise is closest in terms of contract length, but is he worth a 3rd? If Ryan put up 6 more points would he not be a cap dump in some peoples eyes?

This isn't 2006 anymore. 7 mill players don't put up 100 points, they put up 60-70 points. That's where the league is right now.

 

[Legend123]

Sens definitely do not do this. People here can be as sour as they want on Ryan because of his contract, but he does have value to the team, and the team clearly is good with the contract they gave him. Consider that Ottawa is one of most, if not the stingiest team in terms of dollars, and we've never heard anything about Ryan being on the block. That's very telling of what the organization thinks of his contract.

Miller is good but most people on this board have Ottawa finishing outside of the playoffs (some saying bottom 10 team) making that pick very valuable. If we consider Miller being worth a pick in the 8-14 range, then that puts Ryan for a 3rd. That's a joke. If that's what your assessment of Ryan's value is, then just pull him out of the deal completely and Ottawa will happily keep him and his contract.

Here are some players who put up similar production at a similar salary/cap hit:

|Cap|Salary|Pts|Pts/82
D Sedin|7|7|61|61
Koivu|6.75|7.29|56|56
Ryan|7.25|6.5|56|57
H Sedin|7|7|55|61
Parise|7.5|9|53|62
Statsny|7|7|49|63

Granted almost all of these guys have contracts expiring in 2 years, it still shows that this kind of cap hit per production isn't uncommon. Those are some pretty good players who are worth a lot more than a 3rd round pick. Parise is closest in terms of contract length, but is he worth a 3rd? If Ryan put up 6 more points would he not be a cap dump in some peoples eyes?

This isn't 2006 anymore. 7 mill players don't put up 100 points, they put up 60-70 points. That's where the league is right now.

im sorry but most these players asides parise have either little value or negative value. Without salary retained, they are worth a 1rst rounder mainly bcuz no teams would want to handicap thier team with those contracts.

 

[YennoItFlames]

Wouldn't it be Miller + 1st 17/18 for Ryan(1m retained) + 3rd(17/18) or a prospect equal to a 3rd

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Do the Sens have serious cap issues?

 

[Clamshells]

im sorry but most these players asides parise have either little value or negative value. Without salary retained, they are worth a 1rst rounder mainly bcuz no teams would want to handicap thier team with those contracts.

There are plenty of teams who would be happy to take on a top line player at that contract. Yes, Bobby Ryan is still a top line player. What other top line players could be available? What other top line players are available next year at free agency? Expect guys like Thornton, Steen, Marchand, Oshie to re-sign. Who's left?

If Ryan was a free agent next year, he'd be one of the top names available, and he'd definitely get the contract he has right now.

Ottawa needs more top talent. They are not going to trade away their current top talent, and pay another team to do it. That's incredibly stupid.

 

[Sureves]

Why the heck would Ottawa do this?

 

[Revelation]

Ryan has pretty much plateaued as a slow 1 dimensional 55 (say 60 to be generous) point player, no way in hell do the Rangers do this. Sens would/should be all over it as a budget team

 

[Baemon Severson*]

agreed. Rangers seem to finally realize that trading for superstars and/or former superstars wont win you cups.

Do they? Your GM traded for Eric Staal literally 6 months ago

 

[aufheben]

Do they? Your GM traded for Eric Staal literally 6 months ago

I think that was just one last swing at a deep run.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Why the heck would Ottawa do this?

Why would the Rangers do this? They take on significantly more cap for a player whose production Miller may hit on his own.

Neither team does this.

 

[Nordic*]

Ottawa will make the playoffs this season.

The 1st will probably be in the range 16-20.

Those rarely bring you players like Miller.


And with Ryan's contract and lack of footspeed, which will only get worse the coming years, of course Ottawa should be all over this.

 

[Legend123]

Ottawa will make the playoffs this season.

The 1st will probably be in the range 16-20.

Those rarely bring you players like Miller.


And with Ryan's contract and lack of footspeed, which will only get worse the coming years, of course Ottawa should be all over this.

Ottawa have the same chances as being a playoff team as a drafting in the top 10.

 

[Legend123]

Do they? Your GM traded for Eric Staal literally 6 months ago

He let go off Staal, he realized it was a mistake. He signed Vesey. He traded an older player in Brassard for a younger player in zizban.... He currently has a very young core of players.

And im no NYR fan.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Ryan has pretty much plateaued as a slow 1 dimensional 55 (say 60 to be generous) point player, no way in hell do the Rangers do this. Sens would/should be all over it as a budget team

Let's see how he gels with Brassard. This is going to be the first time he gets to play with a left-handed centre since he got here, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that he re-discovers his scoring touch and doesn't go on an absurd cold streak to end the season.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Let's see how he gels with Brassard. This is going to be the first time he gets to play with a left-handed centre since he got here, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that he re-discovers his scoring touch and doesn't go on an absurd cold streak to end the season.

This.

The reason (I think) we got Brassard was to have a better fit with Ryan, so it wouldn't make sense to move Ryan before we have a chance to see if this move worked.

 

[Uchiha]

Here are some players who put up similar production at a similar salary/cap hit:

|Cap|Salary|Pts|Pts/82
D Sedin|7|7|61|61
Koivu|6.75|7.29|56|56
Ryan|7.25|6.5|56|57
H Sedin|7|7|55|61
Parise|7.5|9|53|62
Statsny|7|7|49|63

Granted almost all of these guys have contracts expiring in 2 years, it still shows that this kind of cap hit per production isn't uncommon. , but is he worth a 3rd?

All those players are better than Ryan and can actually play reasonable defence. The guy has the intensity and speed of a snorlax. He's such a lazy player and when he's not scoring we might as well be playing 4 V 5