Proposal: Rangers - Oilers

[Savant]

I don’t think the Rangers are trying to move anyone that isn’t going to solve their cap problems. But they aren’t going to get the most out of Kakko by ruining his usage either. Don’t think they move Kakko in a deal like this but wouldn’t exactly say he is untouchable either

 

[TGWL]

This doesn't help NYR nearly as much as some think. There's no point in Edmonton giving up an unprotected 1st and there's no guarantee in the trade that NYR are getting that very high draft pick.

If you remove the 1st, there's nothing of value coming back to NYR that would make them interested in this. So an obvious 1st is needed but we've got prospects and draft picks coming up, so unless it's that very high pick, why would NYR even bother?

 

[jonlin]

This doesn't help NYR nearly as much as some think. There's no point in Edmonton giving up an unprotected 1st and there's no guarantee in the trade that NYR are getting that very high draft pick.

If you remove the 1st, there's nothing of value coming back to NYR that would make them interested in this. So an obvious 1st is needed but we've got prospects and draft picks coming up, so unless it's that very high pick, why would NYR even bother?

The point of the trade for the Rangers is they have enough Top6 wingers and thats why the youngsters are on the 3:d . Lafreniere and Kakko are essentially wasted on the 3rd line. Puljujärvi would do ok on it. The Rangers then have 3 1st rounders in 2023. They could use 2 of them for Kane from Chicago for example to go over the top this year. Rangers have a good enough D and G to contend. Adding a Top10 winger in the league for a run could do wonders. They could also keep all 3 1:st and I`d think 1 or two would be pretty good futures.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Oilers laugh and hang up the phone.

 

[north49er]

You'd have to be cuckoo to give that for Kakko

 

[TGWL]

The point of the trade for the Rangers is they have enough Top6 wingers and thats why the youngsters are on the 3:d . Lafreniere and Kakko are essentially wasted on the 3rd line. Puljujärvi would do ok on it. The Rangers then have 3 1st rounders in 2023. They could use 2 of them for Kane from Chicago for example to go over the top this year. Rangers have a good enough D and G to contend. Adding a Top10 winger in the league for a run could do wonders. They could also keep all 3 1:st and I`d think 1 or two would be pretty good futures.

No, JP wouldn't do ok. If he's the answer to NYR's top 6, then we have some pretty big problems. We aren't paying 2 1st round picks for Kane. That's ridiculous.

The only thing worth it here is the high pick and Oilers aren't giving up an unprotected 1st.

 

[McJedi]

I`d argue that adding Kakko would make them a better team. They would also have 1M more cap, that can be used at TDL. When Kane is back and with Kakko, I`m 100% sure they are a playoff-team.

100% sure Kakko makes the Oilers a playoff team? That’s an odd comment to make. I’m guessing you don’t watch them much. Unless Kakko plays defense, he’s not addressing their primary problems.

 

[jonlin]

100% sure Kakko makes the Oilers a playoff team? That’s an odd comment to make. I’m guessing you don’t watch them much. Unless Kakko plays defense, he’s not addressing their primary problems.

Re-read? Did you just comfortable unnotice Kane? I said with Kakko they would be a better team than with Puljujärvi and when Kane is back and WITH Kakko they will be a playoff-team.

 

[DollaDollaBillKirill]

Hard pass for the Rangers, Kakko has 95 point Upside

 

[BJCOLLINS]

yeah man, if kakko is being shopped- poolparty & 1st would easily be matched somewhere around the league

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I'd rather move Lafreniere than Kakko or Chytil for that matter, and despite the disappointing start to his career I'm telling you just about every Canadian team would be drooling at the mouth trying to pluck the kid away from NY.
I'd counter:

Lafreniere for Yamamoto+Lavoie+23' 1st

The sticking point on this is our current place in the standings and needing to address the D-core.

It’s not just about value heading out vs in. We also have to consider needs vs those assets. We’d be much better using the pick for a Zub, Gavrikov, etc.

Not saying I wouldn’t be interested in adding Laf but another domino or 2 would have to fall into place before we look at something like this.

 

[McJedi]

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Re-read? Did you just comfortable unnotice Kane? I said with Kakko they would be a better team than with Puljujärvi and when Kane is back and WITH Kakko they will be a playoff-team.

As if Kane will be back (not anytime soon) and Edmonton won’t have other injuries. This is a fringe playoff team with or without Kakko.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Two high draft pick busts who’ve been given some mythical reputation by their fans as defensive specialists because they have zero offense.

No idea why Oilers would be adding picks. Either it’s a 1 for 1 charge of scenery type trade or there’s zero reason to do this.

 

[TGWL]

Two high draft pick busts who’ve been given some mythical reputation by their fans as defensive specialists because they have zero offense.

No idea why Oilers would be adding picks. Either it’s a 1 for 1 charge of scenery type trade or there’s zero reason to do this.

Kakko doesn't need a change of scenario though. He's a good player. He creates plays for himself and his teammates. What Kakko doesn't do is produce on the score sheet. Call it confidence. Call it bad luck. Call it no finnish-ability. Call it whatever you want. He doesn't end up on the score sheet and the chances become missed opportunities to get a goal. We're not trading him for a player who needs a change of scenery. If we trade him it's going to be a prospect ready, a pick we can't pass up, or some package deal. It won't be a 1-1 for a player that's already been soured on because that doesn't help us.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

the value for the deal isn't far off. Just not sure why either team would make this deal, both teams are both in "win now" mode, even though their recent play says something else. NYR is trying to get better now, and so is Edmonton. Edmonton, while they could use more depth up front, NEEDS help on the back end. Edmonton doesn't have a lot of options right now, but imo, they are on the hunt for help on their backend.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Kakko needs a change of scenery, maybe not due to his play, but certainly due to the opportunity he has there. Pulujarvi is an enigma. He has consistency issues that make him frustrating as a fan, and probably moreso as a coach. He has the tools that make you want to forget the issues with his game, but it's getting harder to overlook them. I know that there would need to be an addition to Pulujarvi in a sway with Kakko. And if I was the Rangers, I wouldn't trade Kakko for the package above, but as an Oiler fan, I wouldn't be happy doing that trade for them either. If we are trading the first, I would want a 2nd pair defenseman, or a 2nd line winger who is more proven and who will absolutely be able to contribute to depth scoring. Preferably the defenseman. But not a guy who hasn't proven himself.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

It's a shame how Kakko play drives but can't finish and plays in an unforgiving market. Dude's going to be the next Nichuskin in like Florida and Rangers fans are going to jump off the ledge.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

It took Hischier and Bratt about 5 seasons to really break out for the Devils but their icetime wasn't really holding them back in their first few years. Kakko is in a different scenario so I could see him thriving at some point when he does get more minutes and PP time. A 2nd overall pick should be forcing the coach to do that though by his 4th season.

 

[RipsADrive]

Kakko is a few seasons from being in the same boat as JP.

I get why the Rangers want that price for him but this is not a gamble the Oilers can afford to make right now.

 

[Roof Daddy]

This trade feels like you’re basically hopping in a Time Machine to go back 3 years, only to (likely) have things play out the exact same way.

We’ll just keep older, more disappointing Kakko and not have to part with any picks…. and possibly use both on something we actually need (2nd pair LHD).

 

[bernmeister]

The point of the trade for the Rangers is they have enough Top6 wingers and thats why the youngsters are on the 3:d . Lafreniere and Kakko are essentially wasted on the 3rd line. Puljujärvi would do ok on it. The Rangers then have 3 1st rounders in 2023. They could use 2 of them for Kane from Chicago for example to go over the top this year. Rangers have a good enough D and G to contend. Adding a Top10 winger in the league for a run could do wonders. They could also keep all 3 1:st and I`d think 1 or two would be pretty good futures.

Again, sorry no. This rationale is flawed and must be refuted by whoever suggests it.

Maybe in certain instances, a team with a closing window of this season, 2 at most, MAYBE thinks of this nonsense, and I am correct to describe it as so b'c it almost NEVER works.

In this actual case, Rangers are just beginning with their window.
Dealing youth which = cap issues = roster change = instability = reduces chances to contend IS NOT SMART,

We should be playing developing Krav now instead of playing Vesey [should have moved Strome prior 1-2 seasons instead].

youth for youth ok, not vets

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Lmfao Kakko is not landing a 1st.

 

[bernmeister]

Since the thread title is not limiting other than teams, and since another poster suggested LaF as a counter, and since it is 111% Rangers will not move Kakko, but would consider deals for LaF [maybe, to get ahead of cap] and/or Kravtsov, I suggest we consider that.

LaF + Krav + Lindgren + NY 2023 2nd + Hajek
for
EDM unprotected 2023 + 2024 1sts + 2023 3rd + Broberg + Holloway

something like that

Lmfao Kakko is not landing a 1st.

no prob not available and esp for just a 1st

 

[ManByng]

Ya this is “How to screw the Oilers out of their 1st round pick” thread, one of many!! On what planet is Krapo Krapo worth Puljujarvi AND a 1st round pick??

 

[McWeber]

A NY based team looking to bend over the Oilers in a trade? Oh boy. Y'all got Strome for Spooner, not giving up a 1st to swap Puljujarvi for his younger clone.

Since the thread title is not limiting other than teams, and since another poster suggested LaF as a counter, and since it is 111% Rangers will not move Kakko, but would consider deals for LaF [maybe, to get ahead of cap] and/or Kravtsov, I suggest we consider that.

LaF + Krav + Lindgren + NY 2023 2nd + Hajek
for
EDM unprotected 2023 + 2024 1sts + 2023 3rd + Broberg + Holloway

something like that


no prob not available and esp for just a 1st

Not only is this not at all realistic but Edmonton throws away half their future assets and gets a second pair D and a few struggling prospects.