Proposal: Rangers - Oilers

[jonlin]

Rangers get:

- Puljujärvi 3M RFA 2023
- Oilers 1st unprotected 2023
- Oilers 3rd 2023

Oilers get:

- Kaapo Kakko 2.1M RFA 2024

Rangers get a player suitable for bottom-6 in Pulju. He is still young, fast and defensively sound. They also get 2 picks in what should be the best draft in a few years. Probably though in the 15-20 range. Oilers get the better player, who could nicely fill up their Top6 and has more skill what they gave up. They also gain 1M in cap. Kakko is a skilled player, who is defensively sound and could be a very good player on the PP and with either MacDavid or Drai.

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[Flyer lurker]

18 point seasons are getting expensive.

 

[Gordievsky]

I don't know what Kakko's trajectory is, so can't comment on value. But if I'm Ken Holland, that 1st rounder has to be used exclusively for a solid d-man at this point. Rounding out the top 6 is a nice luxury. Doing something about the defense is a necessity at this point, and there aren't enough bargaining chips available to get somebody of any quality back, except draft picks.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Yeah, a guy who has 0 PP points this year is going to come in and help a team that is the best since 2018.

Also, he's not a top 6er. Including the 1st unprotected is laughable.

 

[jonlin]

I don't know what Kakko's trajectory is, so can't comment on value. But if I'm Ken Holland, that 1st rounder has to be used exclusively for a solid d-man at this point. Rounding out the top 6 is a nice luxury. Doing something about the defense is a necessity at this point, and there aren't enough bargaining chips available to get somebody of any quality back, except draft picks.

Kakko is stuck behind Panarin, Kreider, Goodrow, Lafreniere, Zib, Trocheck so he sees essentially no PP-time. He looks to be a better player than Lafreniere on the eye-test. Kakko actually can keep the puck on his stick and sets up his teammates. His finnishing has been off this year, but he looks a lot better on the ice than his numbers suggest. He should be a surefire Top6 player in the future

Yeah, a guy who has 0 PP points this year is going to come in and help a team that is the best since 2018.

Also, he's not a top 6er. Including the 1st unprotected is laughable.

Looks to me you havent seen him play many games? He absolutely should be a Top6 player. Much more skilled than Puljujärvi.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Rangers pass easily.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Rangers pass easily.

For some reason I feel like Chris Drury might not agree with this statement...

 

[jonlin]

Rangers pass easily.

I actually think they would think hard about this one. Would get Rangers 3x 1st:s in 2023 draft. Some picks could be used at the deadline to target UFA:s like Kane/Bertuzzi/Tarasenko at 50% to stack the roster for playoffs.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Kakko is stuck behind Panarin, Kreider, Goodrow, Lafreniere, Zib, Trocheck so he sees essentially no PP-time. He looks to be a better player than Lafreniere on the eye-test. Kakko actually can keep the puck on his stick and sets up his teammates. His finnishing has been off this year, but he looks a lot better on the ice than his numbers suggest. He should be a surefire Top6 player in the future


Looks to me you havent seen him play many games? He absolutely should be a Top6 player. Much more skilled than Puljujärvi.

Stuck behind Goodrow? You got jokes, you here all week?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I actually think they would think hard about this one. Would get Rangers 3x 1st:s in 2023 draft. Some picks could be used at the deadline to target UFA:s like Kane/Bertuzzi/Tarasenko at 50% to stack the roster for playoffs.

We aren't in rebuild mode and we aren't in the mode to trade away the farm/picks for a rental. Kakko is going to be very good. Most Ranger fans can see that. Despite his points (and not getting any PP time) he looks like our best forward often.

 

[Spawn]

Take out the first rounder and you’re much closer in value for the Oilers.

There’s no reason for Edmonton to pay a premium for another failing top prospect.

 

[AirGut]

I'd rather move Lafreniere than Kakko or Chytil for that matter, and despite the disappointing start to his career I'm telling you just about every Canadian team would be drooling at the mouth trying to pluck the kid away from NY.
I'd counter:

Lafreniere for Yamamoto+Lavoie+23' 1st

 

[5cotland]

Yeah, a guy who has 0 PP points this year is going to come in and help a team that is the best since 2018.

Also, he's not a top 6er. Including the 1st unprotected is laughable.

Bruh!

Kakko gets little to no powerplay time. The Rangers have their 1st PP unit on the ice for at least 1:45 every PP. The 2nd unit never gets a chance.

Also, GG is trying to stupidly keep the chemistry of the 'kid line' which is why you dont see Kakko, Chytil or Lafreniere in a top 6 role. GG moves actual 3rd & 4th liners up to the 1st line just to keep the kid line together.

Your comment is clear you have not watched Kakko this season.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Rangers get:

- Puljujärvi 3M RFA 2023
- Oilers 1st unprotected 2023
- Oilers 3rd 2023

Oilers get:

- Kaapo Kakko 2.1M RFA 2024

Rangers get a player suitable for bottom-6 in Pulju. He is still young, fast and defensively sound. They also get 2 picks in what should be the best draft in a few years. Probably though in the 15-20 range. Oilers get the better player, who could nicely fill up their Top6 and has more skill what they gave up. They also gain 1M in cap. Kakko is a skilled player, who is defensively sound and could be a very good player on the PP and with either MacDavid or Drai.

call me bias and rangers fans can attack me--but so far Kakko has not done enough to be worth an unprotected first from any team---we are now draft year +4. In a recent redraft oh his draft year he fell down to 7th to 8th.

I like Kakko but the jury is still out on him whether or not he is going to be like Ryan Nuge Hopkins from the oilers

and of course I will have to add--why are the oilers adding so much for a guy who just has 3 more pts?

 

[jonlin]

call me bias and rangers fans can attack me--but so far Kakko has not done enough to be worth an unprotected first from any team---we are now draft year +4. In a recent redraft oh his draft year he fell down to 7th to 8th.

I like Kakko but the jury is still out on him whether or not he is going to be like Ryan Nuge Hopkins from the oilers

and of course I will have to add--why are the oilers adding so much for a guy who just has 3 more pts?

Kakko is a lot better using the eye-test. He has been unfortunate this year. Been making good plays that his linemates hasnt scored on and his own finnishing could be better. He looks really good on the ice, but it hasnt translated to the scoring. Lafreniere actually look much worse. He also has 1,5yrs left to RFA, while Puljujärvi has 0,5yrs, with 1M bigger payroll. Puljujärvi has speed and size, but no IQ. Kakko on the otherhand is a much better player and I`m confident that he will pan out as a Top6 player. Rangers has enough of thoose. Kakko is also good at protecting the puck and thats why I could see him beeing good with McDrai. Puljujärvi will probably be a stellar NHL-player, but more likely a 3rd liner. Puljujärvi is fast and hustles, but doesnt seen to have the brain to play Top6. He doesnt seem to have the smarts for it.You should watch some Rangers games and I think you will understand why I see something pomising with Kakko. He is also pretty ok 200ft. A Top6 player, who can contribute right away, is very much worth a 1st. Especially a later one that this is expected to be. Kakko can play immediatly as a 2023 draftee, will probably be in the NHL when McDrais contracts are about to end.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Kakko is a lot better using the eye-test. He has been unfortunate this year. Been making good plays that his linemates hasnt scored on and his own finnishing could be better. He looks really good on the ice, but it hasnt translated to the scoring. Lafreniere actually look much worse. He also has 1,5yrs left to RFA, while Puljujärvi has 0,5yrs, with 1M bigger payroll. Puljujärvi has speed and size, but no IQ. Kakko on the otherhand is a much better player and I`m confident that he will pan out as a Top6 player. Rangers has enough of thoose. Kakko is also good at protecting the puck and thats why I could see him beeing good with McDrai. Puljujärvi will probably be a stellar NHL-player, but more likely a 3rd liner. Puljujärvi is fast and hustles, but doesnt seen to have the brain to play Top6. He doesnt seem to have the smarts for it.You should watch some Rangers games and I think you will understand why I see something pomising with Kakko. He is also pretty ok 200ft. A Top6 player, who can contribute right away, is very much worth a 1st. Especially a later one that this is expected to be. Kakko can play immediatly as a 2023 draftee, will probably be in the NHL when McDrais contracts are about to end.

Kakko has the eye test and The Bison king as the analytics people and Kakko only has 3 more pts than the Bison king

 

[jonlin]

Kakko has the eye test and The Bison king as the analytics people and Kakko only has 3 more pts than the Bison king

It`s not the current points that would be the thing to analyze. Puljujärvi has gotten more than enough time with McDrai, but the results arent that good. Its not about trying - Pulju tries hard and backchecks. He just doesnt have the skill when possessing the puck. He is a valueble player with his huzzle and effort, but I dont see him contributing on the offensive end. He is what he is - a serviceable 3rd liner, who can have a good career on the lower lines. Kakko has enough skill and IQ to be a Top6 player with 60-80p in the future.

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers get:

- Puljujärvi 3M RFA 2023
- Oilers 1st unprotected 2023
- Oilers 3rd 2023

Oilers get:

- Kaapo Kakko 2.1M RFA 2024

Rangers get a player suitable for bottom-6 in Pulju. He is still young, fast and defensively sound. They also get 2 picks in what should be the best draft in a few years. Probably though in the 15-20 range. Oilers get the better player, who could nicely fill up their Top6 and has more skill what they gave up. They also gain 1M in cap. Kakko is a skilled player, who is defensively sound and could be a very good player on the PP and with either MacDavid or Drai.

kudos to OP on solid offer

that said,
NY prefers to keep KK
he is a physical load turning into a beast before our eyes
works well on kid line, but when we bookend him w/Kreider + Zib that = dominant

 

[McJedi]

Rangers get:

- Puljujärvi 3M RFA 2023
- Oilers 1st unprotected 2023
- Oilers 3rd 2023

Oilers get:

- Kaapo Kakko 2.1M RFA 2024

Rangers get a player suitable for bottom-6 in Pulju. He is still young, fast and defensively sound. They also get 2 picks in what should be the best draft in a few years. Probably though in the 15-20 range. Oilers get the better player, who could nicely fill up their Top6 and has more skill what they gave up. They also gain 1M in cap. Kakko is a skilled player, who is defensively sound and could be a very good player on the PP and with either MacDavid or Drai.

Given how the oilers are not a lock to make the playoffs, the 2023 1st is not an asset they should have on the table. Definitely not for a winger.

Poolparty isn’t worth squat. Unlikely even a 3rd. Maybe not even a 4th. But oilers shouldn’t be trading a 2023 1st unprotected.

 

[jonlin]

Given how the oilers are not a lock to make the playoffs, the 2023 1st is not an asset they should have on the table.

Poolparty isn’t worth squat. Maybe a 3rd. Probably a 4th. But oilers shouldn’t be trading a 2023 1st unprotected.

I`d argue that adding Kakko would make them a better team. They would also have 1M more cap, that can be used at TDL. When Kane is back and with Kakko, I`m 100% sure they are a playoff-team.

 

[bernmeister]

I'd rather move Lafreniere than Kakko or Chytil for that matter, and despite the disappointing start to his career I'm telling you just about every Canadian team would be drooling at the mouth trying to pluck the kid away from NY.
I'd counter:

Lafreniere for Yamamoto+Lavoie+23' 1st

1. Concur w/KK a keeper, IF either MUST be moved, deal LaF
2. If #1 above, then LaF value must be in light of market value upped by competitive bidding as you noted.
3. Don't want Yama or Pulj
4. There is sufficient good assets for EDM to land LaF, esp if it is a package involving other backscratching

 

[Smitty426]

For some reason I feel like Chris Drury might not agree with this statement...

Drury runs at this and I dont see why Edm does it honestly. Does Poolparty suck that bad that a 1st comes along with it? KK is still young but he's not that special

 

[BlueBaron]

I think people underestimate how high the Oiler pick could be. In a draft this deep a late teen to low 20s pick is pretty good. That said it would be strange for the Oil to do this and ignore bigger needs.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Keep kakko.
I wouldn't do this trade if it was only Yamamoto going the rangers way.

 

[jonlin]

Keep kakko.
I wouldn't do this trade if it was only Yamamoto going the rangers way.

I do understand why you arent in charge of a hockey team.