Rangers have lost 13 out of their last 17 games. What would you do if you were Dolan (the owner of the team) or Drury (the GM)?

MakoSlade

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Hey, can someone give me a synopsis of the JD/Gorton situation?

Basically, what was the Rangers thought process that led to them being let go and Drury taking over?
I think it was fallout over the Tom Wilson announcement. Like JD and Gorton knew it was embarrassing and objected to it. They were a pretty good management team but were unceremoniously dropped.
 

Shakir ONeal

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Time for the GM to show the players who's boss. Make a statement trade to show the players that malcontents aren't welcome on the team. Tow the company line or get lost.

Maybe even start getting creative with player movement, like threatening to waive someone if they won't agree to a trade. You have to use every tool at your disposal as a GM. You're not in charge to make friends. If a player isn't living up to their contract, cut them loose.

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I still can't believe some people think management should ever look like what Drury is doing (above). It clearly doesn't work.
3rd time is a charm
 
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A mediocre team that overachieved riding their stud goalie last year. Their fans and GM turn on the captain, and very publicly try to dump him 6 months ago, finally succeeding recently. And you wonder why the team started playing like shit? There's two sayings that come to mind, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' and 'f*** around and find out.'

I don't like the Rags, but they weren't broken. In fact quite the opposite, they've gone much further than they had any buisness going based on that roster. Especially with $20m in overpaid players like Panarin and Zib.

So what do they do? The fanbase turns on Trouba and the GM makes it his mission to dump the guy. Problem is he's still the captain, and correct me if I'm wrong, was still beloved by his teammates. That's not the guy you move even if he is slightly overpaid. And I don't blame the players for playing like shit when they just seen how the organization (and fans) treated their teammate and leader. Karma's a bitch and the Rangers are finding that out. I called this after the Goodrow situation and again when they finally dumped Trouba.

I respect the vigor with which the Rags treated a player they preceived to be a problem, I really do. I wish the Leafs and the fans would treat the muskoka 4 in a similar fashion. But next time scapegoat the right guy. Don't do it to the captain who's slightly regressed. Do it to a truly overpaid and useless f*** like Zib.

Look at Benn in Dallas. He's been their captain forever. He's regressed and is no longer worth the cap hit. But instead of turning on him, the team found a role a little lower on the depth chart, he's had a bit of a resurgence, the team is a cup contender, and he'll probably re-sign for a much nicer cap hit. That's how you properly handle the situation.
Agree with your sentiment in general, the problem with the Benn comp is you couldn't drop him any further than 3rd pair.
 

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No need to send out another " letter" and blow t his thing up but, Drury created quite the mess here. With having Shesterkin locked up for 12 years you'll have a hard time bottoming out for a lottery win. Which doesn't work out for NYR historically anyways. I don't mind a mushy middle NY team joining another mushy middle NY team in the mushy middle.
 
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A mediocre team that overachieved riding their stud goalie last year. Their fans and GM turn on the captain, and very publicly try to dump him 6 months ago, finally succeeding recently. And you wonder why the team started playing like shit? There's two sayings that come to mind, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' and 'f*** around and find out.'

I don't like the Rags, but they weren't broken. In fact quite the opposite, they've gone much further than they had any buisness going based on that roster. Especially with $20m in overpaid players like Panarin and Zib.

So what do they do? The fanbase turns on Trouba and the GM makes it his mission to dump the guy. Problem is he's still the captain, and correct me if I'm wrong, was still beloved by his teammates. That's not the guy you move even if he is slightly overpaid. And I don't blame the players for playing like shit when they just seen how the organization (and fans) treated their teammate and leader. Karma's a bitch and the Rangers are finding that out. I called this after the Goodrow situation and again when they finally dumped Trouba.

I respect the vigor with which the Rags treated a player they preceived to be a problem, I really do. I wish the Leafs and the fans would treat the muskoka 4 in a similar fashion. But next time scapegoat the right guy. Don't do it to the captain who's slightly regressed. Do it to a truly overpaid and useless f*** like Zib.

Look at Benn in Dallas. He's been their captain forever. He's regressed and is no longer worth the cap hit. But instead of turning on him, the team found a role a little lower on the depth chart, he's had a bit of a resurgence, the team is a cup contender, and he'll probably re-sign for a much nicer cap hit. That's how you properly handle the situation.

I agree with the majority of this very much. As a lifelong NYR fan turned Dallas local for quite some time (with no rooting conflict because of divisions) I follow these two teams extensively.

The handling of Benn has been perfect. Seguin too, and he was showing a resurgence before surgery this year as well - likely because the Stars have done a good job infusing the lineup with talent and putting guys in positions to succeed.

Trouba realistically is better than 4/6 of the D we now have on the roster. Rangers fans will come in here in droves to tell you he’s an ECHL level bag of trash, blah, blah but the reality is he’s beyond fine as a 4/5 D and his contract was the issue. Which is fine, except what are we even doing with the cap space? And why is our cap structure so shitty that Dallas can easily afford having Benn and Seguin decline and still be on massive contracts but NYR couldn’t navigate Trouba’s decline more gracefully.

The only part of your post I did want to chime in to disagree with was the mention of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Sadly, for the die hard Rangers fans, we have known it’s been broken for quite a while. Not as broken as it now reveals itself to be - that’s been compounded by malcontent players, physical declines for key players who very much relied on their physical tools (Kreider and Lindgren, chiefly) and the absolutely baffling implosion of Mika Zibanejad - but we knew our defensive structure and team commitment to D was problematic, our 5v5 offense was straight up anorexic, and our physicality/willingness to play in the tough areas or adopt a hardnosed, north/south game were all really, genuinely LARGE problems for years.

The decline of a few key pieces and the fallout of the handling of Goodrow and Trouba cap hits have certainly amplified those existing issues and resulted in them biting us much harder than anyone had anticipated, but it is irrefutable that this team had been not just overachieving, but flat out surviving entirely off of it’s PP and goaltending. Realistically, despite the President’s Trophy and ECF appearance, the QUALITY of the Rangers roster last year was much closer to deserving a wild card spot than being considered a contender.

This may sound quite familiar to you all, but as with Henrik Lundqvist, the NYR are an immensely mediocre team that has been propped up by world class goaltending efforts.
 
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Highly disagree Trouba is serviceable as a top four. He is absolutely not. And no spot in the lineup would justify his play at 8m. Got rid of the cap hit and good riddance.

What people are seeing is the tip of an iceberg that was always going to be hit. Many Rangers fans knew that the Levi would break eventually with underlying numbers like poor 5v5 being covered by stellar goaltending and special teams.

Drury inherited more than half a roster that wasn’t his but was Jeff Gorton and JD’s roster.

Drury has seen enough of Mika Wormtongue and is finally addressing the issues on the roster. It wasn’t good enough last couple of years, he wanted to do something but was cap strapped with tuba, and other players that weren’t his. When he finally tried to break up the country club, all the sisters cried out together. Good, now they can cry in other uniforms.
 

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Highly disagree Trouba is serviceable as a top four. He is absolutely not. And no spot in the lineup would justify his play at 8m. Got rid of the cap hit and good riddance.

What people are seeing is the tip of an iceberg that was always going to be hit. Many Rangers fans knew that the Levi would break eventually with underlying numbers like poor 5v5 being covered by stellar goaltending and special teams.

Drury inherited more than half a roster that wasn’t his but was Jeff Gorton and JD’s roster.

Drury has seen enough of Mika Wormtongue and is finally addressing the issues on the roster. It wasn’t good enough last couple of years, he wanted to do something but was cap strapped with tuba, and other players that weren’t his. When he finally tried to break up the country club, all the sisters cried out together. Good, now they can cry in other uniforms.
Thank goodness he finally addressed all the issues of the eastern conference finalists and president trophy winners. Surely now he has addressed it we will easily be the best team going… ooooor arguably the very worst team in the league
 

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Highly disagree Trouba is serviceable as a top four. He is absolutely not. And no spot in the lineup would justify his play at 8m. Got rid of the cap hit and good riddance.

What people are seeing is the tip of an iceberg that was always going to be hit. Many Rangers fans knew that the Levi would break eventually with underlying numbers like poor 5v5 being covered by stellar goaltending and special teams.

Drury inherited more than half a roster that wasn’t his but was Jeff Gorton and JD’s roster.

Drury has seen enough of Mika Wormtongue and is finally addressing the issues on the roster. It wasn’t good enough last couple of years, he wanted to do something but was cap strapped with tuba, and other players that weren’t his. When he finally tried to break up the country club, all the sisters cried out together. Good, now they can cry in other uniforms.
I do admire the Rangers for very quickly dumping the malcontents and chronic underperformers, which is exactly how it should be done.
 
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BlueSeal

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I'm trying to understand what the f-k is going on with the Rags. Goddamn mess.

The moves this season have been the right ones, but it makes you wonder if the folks that are complaining are just flames in a bigger fire that needs to be rooted out and thrown out of the franchise.
 

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Highly disagree Trouba is serviceable as a top four. He is absolutely not. And no spot in the lineup would justify his play at 8m. Got rid of the cap hit and good riddance.

I think it's entirely fair to disagree on his actual level of play, hell even the greatest of the greats have their detractors. But judging by the sheer volume of hot garbage parading as NHL dmen in this league, I think Trouba absolutely is good enough to qualify as at least a median 4D. I think you underestimate just how bad the typical 3rd pairing dman is in this league, there's even a lot of pretty crappy 3's and 4's.

What is not up for debate, however, is the manner in which it was handled was so poor that it may have caused a major rift between the organization and the players. That was just an own-goal by the Rangers.

Everything they did, from trying to trade him last summer to threatening to waive him if he didn't accept a trade to one of several destinations, could have been handled quietly behind the scenes. Teammates who were close to him might not have liked it, but that's business, and popular players have been traded by teams before without causing a major issue. Players understand cap casualties.

But when you publicly try to make a popular player (among teammates) look like the bad guy in a very public way, right after you effectively sent another player to a team on his no-trade list, and also publicly let it be known another well liked guy with an A is on the block, it's going to have repercussions. It's one thing for a coach to lose the locker room ... you can replace the coach in a day. But what do you do when the organization as a whole loses the locker room, yet a bunch of guys are for all intents and purposes immovable?

I'm entirely in agreement that the Rangers needed to start dumping some of these guys just to gain cap space and retool. I might have made those exact same moves. But there's no reason things had to be handled the way they've handled them other than in some misguided attempt to appear "tough." Unless the goal is to make the team such an unpleasant place to play that even the guys with NMCs will want to waive them just to get the hell out, but that's kind of like trying to get rid of someone renting your guest room by spreading horse manure all over the inside of your house.
 
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Kravtsov420

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Thank goodness he finally addressed all the issues of the eastern conference finalists and president trophy winners. Surely now he has addressed it we will easily be the best team going… ooooor arguably the very worst team in the league
You must be proud of the banner they put up. Good you belong with the rest of the clowns

I think it's entirely fair to disagree on his actual level of play, hell even the greatest of the greats have their detractors. But judging by the sheer volume of hot garbage parading as NHL dmen in this league, I think Trouba absolutely is good enough to qualify as at least a median 4D. I think you underestimate just how bad the typical 3rd pairing dman is in this league, there's even a lot of pretty crappy 3's and 4's.

What is not up for debate, however, is the manner in which it was handled was so poor that it may have caused a major rift between the organization and the players. That was just an own-goal by the Rangers.

Everything they did, from trying to trade him last summer to threatening to waive him if he didn't accept a trade to one of several destinations, could have been handled quietly behind the scenes. Teammates who were close to him might not have liked it, but that's business, and popular players have been traded by teams before without causing a major issue. Players understand cap casualties.

But when you publicly try to make a popular player (among teammates) look like the bad guy in a very public way, right after you effectively sent another player to a team on his no-trade list, and also publicly let it be known another well liked guy with an A is on the block, it's going to have repercussions. It's one thing for a coach to lose the locker room ... you can replace the coach in a day. But what do you do when the organization as a whole loses the locker room, yet a bunch of guys are for all intents and purposes immovable?

I'm entirely in agreement that the Rangers needed to start dumping some of these guys just to gain cap space and retool. I might have made those exact same moves. But there's no reason things had to be handled the way they've handled them other than in some misguided attempt to appear "tough." Unless the goal is to make the team such an unpleasant place to play that even the guys with NMCs will want to waive them just to get the hell out, but that's kind of like trying to get rid of someone renting your guest room by spreading horse manure all over the inside of your house.
I agree about the Trouba situation, I think as soon as that became public he needed to be moved before the season started
 

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I'm trying to understand what the f-k is going on with the Rags. Goddamn mess.

The moves this season have been the right ones, but it makes you wonder if the folks that are complaining are just flames in a bigger fire that needs to be rooted out and thrown out of the franchise.

Unless Dolan axes Drury before he gets a chance to do it, this is how this saga will play out. Drury is going to rid this organization of every single complacent and/or pissed off player (veteran or not) until they have a fresh slate and he'll do a retool on the fly.

I don't like Drury particularly but I think it has to be done. This core had 3 kicks at the can and couldn't get it done. He never once moved a roster player off the team at the deadline so the players can't even bitch about losing their buddies at the deadline for mercenaries.

Whiny, entitled group in that locker room that thought their shit didn't stink because they had regular season success. When the reality is without their goaltending they'd probably be a wildcard team.

Kreider's next, the question is does Drury wait until the deadline or not
 
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I agree about the Trouba situation, I think as soon as that became public he needed to be moved before the season started

Or if this was going to be a year of cleaning house anyway and there's no intention of using the cap space to compete, then just suck it up for a year, trade him after this season when his wife's residency is done and he might be open to more destinations (which might have increased his value as well), work on trading other guys, and avoid all the stupid drama.
 
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Or if this was going to be a year of cleaning house anyway and there's no intention of using the cap space to compete, then just suck it up for a year, trade him after this season when his wife's residency is done and he might be open to more destinations (which might have increased his value as well), work on trading other guys, and avoid all the stupid drama.
Nah, the second a cancer is identified, you cut it out immediately. Nothing good will come from letting that player linger around. Or many players if it comes to that.
 

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Nah, the second a cancer is identified, you cut it out immediately. Nothing good will come from letting that player linger around. Or many players if it comes to that.
How can you say this when they've actually been worse since he got traded? No NHL team should end a game with 12 shots on goal
 
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