The ballpark number for retaining both Callahan and Girardi was $12M. Long-term contracts for both. Callahan wants 7 years and $6.75M. 6 years and $5.75M for Girardi. $12.5M. Term is a bigger problem. The Rangers are offering 5 years to both players. Six years for Dan Girardi. It takes him to 36. Girardi can get more in free agency. Girardi is worth nearly $6M per? Callahan is worth close to $7M per? Both players will get that or more in the summer as free agents.
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Personally I wouldn't lose Girardi over a few hundred thousand or an extra year of term. He's been a rock on our right side for a while now and he hasn't ever really had a serious injury--despite all the blocked shots and the wear and tear of playing against the league's best forwards.
Callahan and the Rangers are too far apart. Callahan is at least going to get close to his numbers if he becomes a free agent. He's an all purpose player but somewhat injury prone. The kind of game he plays it's going to get tougher and tougher for him to stay healthy.
As for the Duck players I like Vatanen, Kerdiles, Smith-Pelley in that order. Vatanen was very impressive in the Olympics. He is a bit small but I'm wondering why the Ducks would move him for an older right D--even one as good as Girardi. As for Etem--I think he's a bit overrated.
Callahan and the Rangers are too far apart. Callahan is at least going to get close to his numbers if he becomes a free agent. He's an all purpose player but somewhat injury prone. The kind of game he plays it's going to get tougher and tougher for him to stay healthy.
As for the Duck players I like Vatanen, Kerdiles, Smith-Pelley in that order. Vatanen was very impressive in the Olympics. He is a bit small but I'm wondering why the Ducks would move him for an older right D--even one as good as Girardi. As for Etem--I think he's a bit overrated.
Sign Girardi for sure. 6 years at less than 6 mil is great. Hell trade him in a year or two if there is enough depth at RD to cover his loss. Either way within 4 years most of us suspect he'll need to have his minutes taken up by someone else anyway. But there is zero way to cover his loss now and in the foreseeable future. As long as someone proves they can work well with McD OR Staal in a shutdown role than the team will be able to replace Girardi. Right now and next year I just don't think we'll have that
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Has anyone actually stopped and taken a look at the players who have contracts with a 6 mill cap hit?
If you actually take a look at the names on that list can you really say either Callahan or Girardi belong on that list?
If you actually take a look at the names on that list can you really say either Callahan or Girardi belong on that list?
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
No, but you have to take in to consideration when, and at what age some of those contracts are handed out. It's not as simple as comparing dollar amounts.
HatTrick Swayze
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I would much rather have Girardi at 5.5 x 5-6 than Dan Boyle.
Which is what I assume Glen would do if Girardi is dealt.
Which is what I assume Glen would do if Girardi is dealt.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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The more the cap continues to rise, the more the contracts are going to rise as well. is G worth 6M? maybe not but that could be the maret for a Top pairing RHD wih the cap going up. Also, Mcdonagh is making 4.7M.. He will be worth more than that.. its not really fair to compare is "this guy worth this or that" and refuse to look at when the contract was signed and when/if the cap would go up etc. I would NOT lose Girardi because of 1 year, if they have agreed on the money already, just give hm the extra year and get it over with.
PlamsUnlimited
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Girardi needs to stay... Minute eating RHD don't grow in trees especially ones that almost never miss a game. He is an absolute warrior. If the issues is years, give him Girardi years and Sather money, and hopefully they agree. I'll hate seeing him leave the team.
Ail
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Keep him. I'm not a huge Girardi fan by any means, but he's a first pairing defenseman on our team who is asking for a reasonable contact. He's worth more than Callahan but will get less. Go five years at Girardi's AAV and get it done.
OrbitalDynamics
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Sather dicks everyone off in contract negotiations.He keeps playing this hardass negotiation tactic with all of his players,someone is going to say "Screw You,I'm testing Free Agency!".
Cigarface will screw this up,it is as inevitable as death,taxes and sunset in the west.
Cigarface will screw this up,it is as inevitable as death,taxes and sunset in the west.
NYR Viper
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As long as Sather doesn't just hold onto them and lose them for nothing I can be swayed either way
I'd be thrilled with Vatanen in a deal. He's exactly the type of defender who could flourish in this kind of attacking system, and he's just starting to come into his own as a player. He really has shades of Brian Rafalski in his game offensively and skating wise, though his defensive acumen leaves a little to be desired.
That being said, Unless Girardi was re-signing there, I have a hard time seeing Vatanen coming back in the deal, let alone Vatanen plus another top prospect and/or pick.
That being said, Unless Girardi was re-signing there, I have a hard time seeing Vatanen coming back in the deal, let alone Vatanen plus another top prospect and/or pick.
$5.25 million for 6 years. Give him the term and give us the salary. In his 6th year, with the cap going up, hopefully, $5.25 will be easier to swallow for him at age 36.
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Based on what his agent feels he can get on the open market. Doesn't mean he's right, but those are the numbers his agent is feeding him.
Raspewtin
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If we can get Vatanen for Girardi I do that deal without blinking. Finally a defenseman with an actual offensive game. AV would have a field day with him.
This sounds like not unreal terms/money, but again, if Sather doesn't want to give the terms he wants and they can't reach an agreement, he should be traded. Hockey's still a business.
This sounds like not unreal terms/money, but again, if Sather doesn't want to give the terms he wants and they can't reach an agreement, he should be traded. Hockey's still a business.
TheTakedown
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Exactly. And by that point, you can justify having a 6M 2nd pair defenseman (as awful as that sounds now, just wait till that cap goes up.... lol)
Gardner McKay
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For Girardi? You can certainly make the argument. For Callahan? No but that is reality with a rising cap.
Killem Dafoe
Hold my baby, man.
Do you really think that the majority of the people on that list would get $6M if they were going into free agency this summer? Do you think Patrick Kane on the open market with the cap going up is a $6.3M player?
Looking at comparable's around the league is pointless unless you consider the context under which they signed their deal. Group III. Retirement contracts.
Beacon
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Girardi's demands are reasonable. Maybe he can come down slightly to $5.5 over 6 years, but I'd say he is worth $32-$33 over the next half dozen seasons.
Alternatively, he can get 5 years at his desired hit of $5.75, which would be $28.5 total. Hell, we gave almost that much to Rosie.
You don't just throw away defensemen like him unless you can get great return in a trade.
Alternatively, he can get 5 years at his desired hit of $5.75, which would be $28.5 total. Hell, we gave almost that much to Rosie.
You don't just throw away defensemen like him unless you can get great return in a trade.
Absolutely Beacon. 100%.
I think people have to understand how valuable he really is. He has also been extremely durable. You cannot compare that salary to this years cap or even next. As time goes on the cap will go up, salaries will inflate, and Girardi's salary will look more like a bargain when he is 33-34-35-36.
Was Shawn Horcoff insane 4 seasons ago when he got $5.5M for 6 seasons?
Or David Clarkson last summer when he got $5.25M for 7 seasons.
Free agents get (over)paid.
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