Proposal: Rangers - Canucks

[Savant]

Easy no for the Rangers. Stepan is our best center. Tanev would easily play on the top pairing but its not worth it. Hayes and a third for Tanev

Rangers aren't trading Hayes

 

[pld459666]

I didn't see anyone proposing to trade Zibanejad.

That's because Mika is NOT the teams best Center.

With out question the teams best Center right now and until knocked from that position is Derek Stepan

Any comments to the contrary is pure silliness

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Easy no for the Rangers. Stepan is our best center. Tanev would easily play on the top pairing but its not worth it. Hayes and a third for Tanev

No way. You said it yourself, Tanev will easily play on your first pairing. Why would we trade that for Hayes+3rd?

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Canucks feel like they have a young group and an old group and nobody in the middle. The old Canucks forwards are, of course, slow. They need speed down the middle to be successful, IMO and adding a fleet center in his prime would be nearly ideal.

Stepan for Tanev is near fair value, which is difficult to calculate with different positions. If NY really want to deal their top center, Canucks should be okay with paying their top defenseman. It the NY desire that I doubt. Maybe Benning will throw in Henrik?

Stepan is not the player you want then.

Not sure how much you watch Stepan play, but he is far from a quick skater. I don't think anyone has ever call Stepan fast. He hustles, but he just doesnt have foot speed.

 

[bossram]

Chris Tanev



Derek Stepan

Value is probably about there. Just don't see either team acting on it.

Stepan is too important a player for the Rangers for him to be traded.

I'd counter

Zuccarello (29 Years old $4.5M Hit. 55-60 point playmaking winger)

for

Tanev (26 Years old. $4.45M Hit. 25 Minute a night RHD on the Rangers)

Absolutely not. 29 year old winger is the farthest thing from what we need. And I like Zuccarello.

How about Hayes + Graves for Tanev?

Hayes + Skeij would probably motivate me. Graves is just not enticing enough.

I don't really see how this helps either team. Rangers create a big hole in the middle...Canucks move their best potential trade chip for a Center when they've already got significant money tied up down the middle in Henrik Sedin and Brandon Sutter, as well as having Horvat in the fold with a likely raise coming up probably sooner, rather than later.

Not really the sort of deal that would make sense for the Canucks top potential trade chip. Doesn't help them really get younger...and even if "right now" was the focus, it'd be tough for a deal like this to actually make the Canucks better overall, while losing a top-pairing defenceman.

Definitely see the logic here. I don't think it makes the most sense. But if we're looking for a future 1C to take over after Henrik, maybe someone like Stepan makes it work. Not for me personally but it's not crazy.

We have to plan for life after the Sedins. And I don't see Horvat as a future 1C. And Brandon Sutter....the faster we can move on from him the better.

Nothing against Stepan, but VAN should be closer to full on tear it down, rebuild mode than adding guys like Stepan.

The sedins are on their way out (performance and/or contract wise) in the next two years.

Stepan, while not old by any means at 26, is just not the right age if VAN hasnt even begun to accept the rebuild process. He isnt a good enough player to turn around the VAN dumpster fire right now as there are far bigger and more issues than he can even chip away at.

If you also believe VAN might wait a year or two to fully accept a rebuild and tear it down, Stepan has 4 years left on his deal after this year. By the time VAN tears it down, and builds it back up (if they do it right) to any type of serious contender Stepan will be likely gone or a pending UFA.

Its just not at all a good fit, more for VANs situation than Stepans fit with the team

VAN should be targeting guys no older than 23 or quality picks/prospects

Pretty much agree with you here. But Stepan isn't the worst proposal I've seen here, for sure.

For excrements and giggles, what would Nucks fans want from the Rangers for Tanev?

Something around Zibanejad probably. Might be a no-go.

I like Hayes. Maybe Hayes+. Hayes + Skjei.

 

[RangerRick61]

If for what ever reason we were trading Stepan, I think we'd want something similar to a RyJo for Seth Jones type deal. But we won't move Stepan so the point is moot.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Value is probably about there. Just don't see either team acting on it.



Absolutely not. 29 year old winger is the farthest thing from what we need. And I like Zuccarello.



Hayes + Skeij would probably motivate me. Graves is just not enticing enough.



Definitely see the logic here. I don't think it makes the most sense. But if we're looking for a future 1C to take over after Henrik, maybe someone like Stepan makes it work. Not for me personally but it's not crazy.

We have to plan for life after the Sedins. And I don't see Horvat as a future 1C. And Brandon Sutter....the faster we can move on from him the better.



Pretty much agree with you here. But Stepan isn't the worst proposal I've seen here, for sure.



Something around Zibanejad probably. Might be a no-go.

I like Hayes. Maybe Hayes+. Hayes + Skjei.

Nope.... Both teams wanna get younger, not good trade partners

 

[DeltaSwede]

Not bad, seems to me as a hockey trade but the timing is a little off I guess.

To convince me, you'd have to throw in a good prospect but Rangers fans are probably going to say the same.

Not bad though, surprised.

 

[ChrisKreider20]

Don't fix it if it ain't broken. It is best to wait for an opportunity where we don't need to trade current roster players other than Lindberg.

 

[bernmeister]

Seriously, what's the obsession with trading our #1 center?

Trading our number center and not getting one in return when we're not a rebuilding team is not a credibility enhancing proposal.

I didn't see anyone proposing to trade Zibanejad.

Zib is #1

That's probably even better. JT Miller+?

How about Hayes + Graves for Tanev?

No on the young core

Nothing against Stepan, but VAN should be closer to full on tear it down, rebuild mode than adding guys like Stepan.

The sedins are on their way out (performance and/or contract wise) in the next two years.

Stepan, while not old by any means at 26, is just not the right age if VAN hasnt even begun to accept the rebuild process. He isnt a good enough player to turn around the VAN dumpster fire right now as there are far bigger and more issues than he can even chip away at.

If you also believe VAN might wait a year or two to fully accept a rebuild and tear it down, Stepan has 4 years left on his deal after this year. By the time VAN tears it down, and builds it back up (if they do it right) to any type of serious contender Stepan will be likely gone or a pending UFA.

Its just not at all a good fit, more for VANs situation than Stepans fit with the team

VAN should be targeting guys no older than 23 or quality picks/prospects

Yes and no.
Clearly he is not a fleet merchant, but at roughly 20th best C, he would solidify top 6 pirvot situation, viz, your 1C, slides down if ya get a top, TOP guy, which is odds against.

He is not cheap at 6.5, but value will increase over term

Canucks feel like they have a young group and an old group and nobody in the middle. The old Canucks forwards are, of course, slow. They need speed down the middle to be successful, IMO and adding a fleet center in his prime would be nearly ideal.

Stepan for Tanev is near fair value, which is difficult to calculate with different positions. If NY really want to deal their top center, Canucks should be okay with paying their top defenseman. It the NY desire that I doubt. Maybe Benning will throw in Henrik?

Agree value is close on 2 core pieces, should be able to have an add or 2 = balance.

I would definitely do this if the Rangers had another player ready to step into Stepan's role.
Value is very good for both teams and despite Stepan's age, the Sedin's will retire in a year or two and leave Vancouver down a legitimate top-6 center, in which Stepan fills a need at that point.

You can't be faulted for being sensibly precautious; however, he who hesitates is/has lost.

we have enough depth at C
idea IMO is get good value in return

Rangers aren't trading Hayes

concur

That's because Mika is NOT the teams best Center.

With out question the teams best Center right now and until knocked from that position is Derek Stepan

Any comments to the contrary is pure silliness

disagree and anything to the contrary is a difference of opinion for which pros and cons are fair discussion

 

[Shootertooter]

There is no chance the Rangers move Hayes, Kreider, Miller, Buch, Vesey, Zib at this point. Zero chance.

The Rangers will go out and pick up a good RHD at some point and likely will trade this years 1st, + picks and prospects. Now that both Vesey and Buch are playing well the first is expendable. Step could be traded but he is our 1st line center, the return better be worth it.

 

[kanucks25]

Even if the value is fair, the Canucks don't need older pieces and the return of youth assets has to include an impact piece, so a 1-for-1 type trade.

The Canucks have some prospect depth but nothing at the top. If we're going to trade probably our best asset, we need a significant piece in return and not a combo of lesser pieces.

 

[Machinehead]

Can't believe Rangers fans are passing on this.

We're loaded at center and we need a RHD like Brent Burns needs a haircut.

 

[Alexander Edler]

Tanev is to little to trade for a guy who will be stuck on our 2nd line for 3 or so years would rather getting a Young LW with 2st line potential or potential 1st Line Center for Tanev. We probably won't be trading him then unless that come Avaliable

 

[bernmeister]

I would prefer this to the OP.

no, your OP was correct not this no kids

I personally isnt very interested in Tanev. Sure i would like to have him, but not really interested in getting older by trading Hayes or JT miller for a defensemen that turns 27 in December. Would rather have Miller and Hayes longterm than Tanev for 3,5 years. I think the value of guys like him are high and that you often give up alot of value because you get a RH defensemen back. He is a good player but i would prefer to get a younger defensemen if we are going to trade for one. Would atleast want him to have a little more to offer offensivly than what Tanev has.

I agree w/meldy on this one
Yeah we should make a quality offer on Tanev, expect to pay high market price
not go beyond that
key is no primo prospects
vets, futures, other prospects

There is no chance the Rangers move Hayes, Kreider, Miller, Buch, Vesey, Zib at this point. Zero chance.

The Rangers will go out and pick up a good RHD at some point and likely will trade this years 1st, + picks and prospects. Now that both Vesey and Buch are playing well the first is expendable. Step could be traded but he is our 1st line center, the return better be worth it.

99% agree
exception is I do
Zib + Pirri + Rangers 2017 1st
for
Hanifin, Murphy, acceptable cap dump + Rangers, Canes 2017 2nds

w/Hani-Skjei-Graves long term LD, makes it easier to move Staal (him agreeing to waive) and we have options on top price for McD, whenever we decide to do that

we then consider other options to get higher quality C, possibly Sam Reinhart in Buf

but we are solid in pivot with
Miller, Hayes, Jooris, Neives and that does not include Stepan, who we only have to move this year to defeat his pending NMC, not necessarily move immediately

Can't believe Rangers fans are passing on this.
We're loaded at center and we need a RHD like Brent Burns needs a haircut.

unless there are better trade options for Stepan's return, directly/indirectly, I agree.

Tanev is to little to trade for a guy who will be stuck on our 2nd line for 3 or so years would rather getting a Young LW with 2st line potential or potential 1st Line Center for Tanev. We probably won't be trading him then unless that come Avaliable

I don't blame you
Ds and Cs command more than Ws
however, while you would need to do some more work at your end, Stepan could be flipped for an even better fit for you.

 

[Paulinvancouver]

Hah!

No.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Gorton absolutely says no to this.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Don't fix it if it ain't broken. It is best to wait for an opportunity where we don't need to trade current roster players other than Lindberg.

Pretty much this.. Rangers have plenty of time to find a defenseman.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Pretty much this.. Rangers have plenty of time to find a defenseman.

I agree.

While I love Tanev and he fits like a glove, I don't see how moving roster players from a productive team helps out right now.

 

[vipernsx]

Chris Tanev



Derek Stepan

Got Klein, Staal, & Girard .....don't need Tanev.

I don't know what's worse, the Tanev overhype or the Staal & Girardi bashing.

 

[WesMcCauley]

I agree w/meldy on this one
Yeah we should make a quality offer on Tanev, expect to pay high market price
not go beyond that
key is no primo prospects
vets, futures, other prospects

First time for everything

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

Got Klein, Staal, & Girard .....don't need Tanev.

I don't know what's worse, the Tanev overhype or the Staal & Girardi bashing.

I think it would make a solid defensive core.

McDonagh Tanev
Staal Holden
Klein Girardi
Skjei Clendenning

 

[Cogburn]

I don't hate the proposal.

Stepan isn't the game break I think we need, but a solid 50+ point center isn't a terrible return, and I prefer him to JVR or Nugent-Hopkins. I don't think now is the right time for it is all.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Got Klein, Staal, & Girard .....don't need Tanev.

I don't know what's worse, the Tanev overhype or the Staal & Girardi bashing.

Tanev is easily better than those players combined. We don't need Tanev? You can't be serious.

 

[vipernsx]

Tanev is easily better than those players combined. We don't need Tanev? You can't be serious.

I'm totally serious, Tanev is a purely defensive D with zero offense to his game. When has he played a full season? What happens to defensive blueliners whos' body's wear down? Where's Tanev going to be in a year or two when the hype has worn off? The Rangers already have a RH defensive blueliner who went undrafted and a body that's wearing out...we don't need more of them.

With Staal & Girardi playing top4 minutes on a team for the past several seasons, they've gone deep into the playoffs on one of the best defensive teams in the league, what value does Tanev add? This team is not being coached by Tom Renney. The Rangers need slick skating blueliners who can move the puck and that's not Tanev no matter how much of a love affair there's going on with him right now.

Critics of advanced stats say that they don't represent defensive defenseman well. Proponents of advanced stats love Tanev because he presents well and he's a defensive defenseman. Well if shots are so important how is it the guy who among shots by defenseman is 182nd last year and 165th the year before, is considered to be so good? He must be a passer and that's why he's got 14 assists in 302 NHL games. If we're going after one dimensional players, I choose Justin Schultz, much like Pirri, he'd be cheaper and better fit for the Rangers.

I'll pass on Tanev and his 5m NTC for 3 more season after this one.

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