Proposal: Rangers - Blues swap for Rick Nash

[Weltschmerz]

The Rangers are best off keeping Nash until the trading deadline to get max value. 1) It allows whoever acquires him to pay for one season, but get two playoff runs; 2) with the Canadian dollar recovering and the NHL getting expansion money, the cap next summer will suddenly jump giving a lot of teams a ton of room, which will naturally skyrocket the salaries of all the UFAs, so Nash at $7.8 will be a straight up bargain.

Seems right now they can't get what they want so they have to keep him.
Problem is if he bounces back his value goes up but they are probably also means they are competitive and don't sell him but go for another playoff run.
If he has another season with injuries the "max value" part could be difficult.

 

[Off Sides]

If the Rangers had a late 1st I'd hope they could get a Lindberg like player, so not sure why he would be valued as anything below a late first.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I'd do Lehtera, Barbashev, Schmaltz Conditional 1st (if Nash doesn't score 30 it becomes a 2nd) for Nash @5.5M + Lindberg.

Lehtera makes 4.7M so Blues take on 1.4M total.

If, and it's a big if, a deal is there I think that the return starts with Berglund to make something palatable to the Blues and have a chance at making the money work.

Berglund + young NHL ready prospect + pick

 

[bleedblue1223]

If, and it's a big if, a deal is there I think that the return starts with Berglund to make something palatable to the Blues and have a chance at making the money work.

Berglund + young NHL ready prospect + pick

For the money to come close to working, it would have to be Lehtera, and Nash would have to have some significant retention.

All of our space is allocated to Schwartz and Sobotka.

 

[Dbrownss]

Ok you win, keep him.

This....

 

[Majorityof1]

In 2009, Gaborik was coming off a major injury that limited him to 17 games for the whole season, and had a bunch of other injuries in his career. He got $7.5 at the time when the cap was 22% lower than the current one. Gaborik was 13.2% of the cap; Nash now is 10.6% of the cap. Gaborik (particularly on a 5-year contract) was a massively bigger risk, yet not only did he get a higher percentage of the cap space, he later got the Rangers 3 young players in a trade.

You keep bringing up the Gaborik trade because it was good for the Rangers. How did that work out for the Blue Jackets? I'll answer. It was terrible. They got less than 40 games over 2 seasons out of him and ended up trading him for peanuts. Just because a team took on a similarly situated good player with a bad contract and injury issues, and overpaid to do so, does not mean we want the Blues to repeat their mistake. If you can get someone to give you a great return on Nash, more power to you. But making comparisons to Columbus trading for Gaborik is not a good way to convince the other team.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

Stepan
Nash (1.8M retained aka 6M cap-hit

for

Shattenkirk
Berglund
Barbashev
4th that becomes a 2nd if Shatt doesn't re-sign with NYR

is the only deal that makes sense, unless you want to deal Fabbri+ for Stepan, which I know you don't.

That's the cost for STL to add a 1B center who scores more than RNH, and about the same or more as Matt Duchene. He just wasn't a top draft pick so nobody here values him accurately.

STL could really challenge for The Cup with Stepan and Nash.

Shattenkirk (who's leaving in a year anyway and already can be replaced by Parayko who looks like the next RH Chris Pronger or Shea Weber), Berglund, and Barbashev is a more than fair price to pay.

STL would need to clear a few million also, but it's doable. NYR would take Ryan Reaves back as a cap-dump too if needed

 

[bleedblue1223]

Well sure, but can you put a little research into making it cap compliant.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

Stepan
Nash (1.8M retained aka 6M cap-hit

for

Shattenkirk
Berglund
Barbashev
4th that becomes a 2nd if Shatt doesn't re-sign with NYR

is the only deal that makes sense, unless you want to deal Fabbri+ for Stepan, which I know you don't.

That's the cost for STL to add a 1B center who scores more than RNH, and about the same or more as Matt Duchene. He just wasn't a top draft pick so nobody here values him accurately.

STL could really challenge for The Cup with Stepan and Nash.

Shattenkirk (who's leaving in a year anyway and already can be replaced by Parayko who looks like the next RH Chris Pronger or Shea Weber), Berglund, and Barbashev is a more than fair price to pay.

STL would need to clear a few million also, but it's doable. NYR would take Ryan Reaves back as a cap-dump too if needed

What's the price for just Stepan?

 

[Majorityof1]

Stepan
Nash (1.8M retained aka 6M cap-hit

for

Shattenkirk
Berglund
Barbashev
4th that becomes a 2nd if Shatt doesn't re-sign with NYR

[cut to save space]

STL would need to clear a few million also, but it's doable. NYR would take Ryan Reaves back as a cap-dump too if needed

We've said we are pushed to the cap already with barely enough money for Schwartz, Sobotka and a 14th depth forward. So you offer $12.5M in salary coming in with $7.95M going out. We'd have to clear $4.5M, and giving you Reaves barely clears a quarter of that.

 

[Dbrownss]

Stepan
Nash (1.8M retained aka 6M cap-hit

for

Shattenkirk
Berglund
Barbashev
4th that becomes a 2nd if Shatt doesn't re-sign with NYR

is the only deal that makes sense, unless you want to deal Fabbri+ for Stepan, which I know you don't.

That's the cost for STL to add a 1B center who scores more than RNH, and about the same or more as Matt Duchene. He just wasn't a top draft pick so nobody here values him accurately.

STL could really challenge for The Cup with Stepan and Nash.

Shattenkirk (who's leaving in a year anyway and already can be replaced by Parayko who looks like the next RH Chris Pronger or Shea Weber), Berglund, and Barbashev is a more than fair price to pay.

STL would need to clear a few million also, but it's doable. NYR would take Ryan Reaves back as a cap-dump too if needed

Seems pretty favorable for Stl....


Schwartz Stepan Tarasenko
Fabbri Stastny Perron
Steen Sobokta Nash
Upshall Brodziak Jaskin
Rattie/Pääjärvi

Not terrible but soft as ****....


Move Lehtera for a pick, I don't think it would be impossible as some suggest.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

What's the price for just Stepan?

Shattenkirk + Fabbri + a mid-level prospect or 2nd rounder probably

or

Shattenkirk + Barbashev + 1st

We're not looking to trade him, but for the right package that addresses some key needs, we'd do it.

 

[Beacon]

You keep bringing up the Gaborik trade because it was good for the Rangers.

No because it was the closest trade by the Rangers in recent years. Alternatively, here are some other recent trades for much lesser players than Nash, all of which returned more than a first rounder back.

• Eric Staal got two seconds and a good prospect.
• Sekera got a first and a prospect.
• Coburn got a first, a third and a young defenseman.
• Frederik Anderson got a first rounder and a second.
• Reinhart got a mid-first and a very early second. He then spent half the year in the minors.

 

[Note Worthy]

Shattenkirk + Fabbri + a mid-level prospect or 2nd rounder probably

or

Shattenkirk + Barbashev + 1st

We're not looking to trade him, but for the right package that addresses some key needs, we'd do it.

I wouldn't come close to trading Fabbri straight up for Stepan let alone adding Shattenkirk.

 

[Dbrownss]

Shattenkirk + Fabbri + a mid-level prospect or 2nd rounder probably

or

Shattenkirk + Barbashev + 1st

We're not looking to trade him, but for the right package that addresses some key needs, we'd do it.

Fabbri is always a non starter unless we're talking about a package involving him for a legit elite center


I'm genuinely curious...how does removing the 1st and adding Berglund get Nash added?

 

[bleedblue1223]

Shattenkirk + Fabbri + a mid-level prospect or 2nd rounder probably

or

Shattenkirk + Barbashev + 1st

We're not looking to trade him, but for the right package that addresses some key needs, we'd do it.

Oh, ok bud.

 

[KirkOut]

how did the price for Stepan alone go drastically up compared to Stepan+Nash?

By the way this entire thread has been about how the Blues can't make any of these trades due to cap issues. I'm guessing they aren't very interested in trading their 20 year old top 6 forward on an ELC. But that's just a guess...

 

[Evocable Manager]

Stepan isn't worth Fabbri. Nevermind adding.

Fabbri would take a gross overpayment. I think Shattenkirk (with extension) for Stepan would be equal.

I don't think the Rangers are a fit. They have many cap strains and should be entering a rebuild. If they trade Stepan, it should be for futures. St. Louis isn't in a position to give away futures.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Shattenkirk + Fabbri + a mid-level prospect or 2nd rounder probably

or

Shattenkirk + Barbashev + 1st

We're not looking to trade him, but for the right package that addresses some key needs, we'd do it.

The first trade is flat out insulting to blues fans. The second could be workable, but it'd have to be Barbashev plus a second.

 

[nmbr_24]

15 goals-36 points-$7.8 million cap hit. Nobody is giving up much for that even with salary retained.

The Rangers might want to take the chance that Nash will have a better year and hold onto him for a while and let his value increase. Of course that could also have the opposite effect if Nash shows that last year was the start of his decline.

 

[Spektre]

I'd agree in looking at the Rangers it seems the smart move could be to enter a rebuild mode. The wild card seems to be the King. Lundqvist is making 8.5 for 5 more years. It's not impossible but I find it hard to believe they'll go into rebuild mode as long as they have that contract, just my opinion.

If a deal was agreed upon by the GM's based loosely on Stepan + Nash for Shattenkirk, Berglund/Lehtera + Barbashev + def prospect Schmaltz\? + pick(s) I'm pretty sure the Blues would find a way to dump the extra cap, IE trade Lehtera for anything etc..

 

[McRib]

No because it was the closest trade by the Rangers in recent years. Alternatively, here are some other recent trades for much lesser players than Nash, all of which returned more than a first rounder back.

• Eric Staal got two seconds and a good prospect.
• Sekera got a first and a prospect.
• Coburn got a first, a third and a young defenseman.
• Frederik Anderson got a first rounder and a second.
• Reinhart got a mid-first and a very early second. He then spent half the year in the minors.

The first two were deadline rentals, Nash isn't that, bad comparison
Coburn is a D-Man who have more value than wingers, bad comparison
Andersen was a goalie in a buyers market... Terrible Comparison
Reinhart was a young prospect defenseman who the oilers took a flyer on.... Bad comparison

Look at what Kessel got for your benchmark... 1st, and prospects subtract the 2nd because of age and the mediocre season Nash just had

 

[Majorityof1]

No because it was the closest trade by the Rangers in recent years. Alternatively, here are some other recent trades for much lesser players than Nash, all of which returned more than a first rounder back.

• Eric Staal got two seconds and a good prospect.
• Sekera got a first and a prospect.
• Coburn got a first, a third and a young defenseman.
• Frederik Anderson got a first rounder and a second.
• Reinhart got a mid-first and a very early second. He then spent half the year in the minors.

I...I just...just... <sigh> That list has me speechless.

Whatever man. You clearly don't get it. I have no idea how trading for an RFA goalie entering his prime has anything to do with trading Nash, a very expensive older forward who possibly is in the down swing of his career.

The Gaborik example works, it just doesn't send the message you think it does. Its a cautionary tale. Don't overpay for older, injured former star players who the Rangers gave way too big a contract to and now want to dump. Like Columbus, you will regret it.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

Shattenkirk + Fabbri + a mid-level prospect or 2nd rounder probably

or

Shattenkirk + Barbashev + 1st

We're not looking to trade him, but for the right package that addresses some key needs, we'd do it.

These are not comparable offers just fyi

 

[aemoreira1981]

No way the Rangers do this. They need Rick Nash's salary and cap space to expose for the expansion draft. If he's not taken, he's probably a buyout candidate.