random thread: what’s your thoughts about Alain Vigneault and his coaching? think he’ll ever coach in the league again?

[TGWL]

He took NYR and changed them into being a fast playing team that took advantage of turnovers, generating rush chances. However, teams started adding more speed to their line-up and doing it better. When other teams had the speed his coaching got exposed with us.

If he likes you you'll find yourself getting opportunities instead of being benched or scratch. If he doesn't like you, well, it doens't matter how you play. He repeats the same thing over and over.

With that said he brings experience so I guess you can do worse. But I don't believe in recycling coaches.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Tanner Glass has got to be his illegitimate son or something.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm a Flyers fan who also spent a decent portion of his Rangers tenure living in NYC. Went to many games, followed the team closely, and all of that.

I wouldn't wish that man on anyone. He's not the biggest fraud of a name-brand NHL coach I've ever seen, but unfortunately he is second. Zero self-awareness. Can't wait to explain how nothing is his fault. I would say he has zero adaptability, but unfortunately that would ignore the Bubble Playoffs where he got outclassed so badly by Claude Julien's staff that they went away from what had made them one of the hottest teams in hockey for a few months and tried to be the ca. 1995 Devils.

He's the Bryan Colangelo of the NHL in that it's all about winning the press conferences. And it would work on some of your fanbase, just as it did in NY and Philadelphia. Unfortunately, you'll quickly realize the only thing he's got for you is a dead cat bounce.

Remember what I said about only being the second biggest fraud in NHL coaching? When that smug little shit was hired by the Flyers, my reaction both on the Flyers board and to everyone I know was, "Ok, it's bad. But at least it's not Michel Therrien." Little did I know at the time that they had become close friends in Florida and are now attached at the hip. His big claim to fame as a Flyers assistant coach was moving Claude Giroux out of the spot that had made the Flyers' PP successful for the better part of a decade because it made them more unpredictable. Unfortunately it also made them not score. This decision still stood for ~years~.

I'll give you the TLDR;

Positives: Extremely strong pocket square game.

Negatives: Abandon hope.

His only positive is that he isn't Dallas Eakins. But he's close.

 

[EpochLink]

AV should be kissing Luongo and Lundqvist feet for the career he's had.
If he doesn't have capable goaltending, then he ain't going anywhere.

 

[biturbo19]

I'd gladly welcome him back to the Canucks. It was time to move on back then, but the whole roster has turned over and he's a great coach.

He has some certain idiosyncrasies (like any coach) but i can live with those when it comes to a coach who can get a lot out of an okay roster, and even more out of a really good one.

I also don't really buy this idea that he can't develop any talent. He might not be the first choice i'd have to an extremely green, rookie-laden roster. But plenty of players have taken major steps in their development under AV. That might be a little bit later than their teenage years or whatever, but the players that he does develop...end up playing the right way long-term.


The one real notable thing about AV for me, is that his system is a bit funky. A lot of coaches systems look pretty interchangeable, and often seem to function that way. AV's system can take a while to install and it really does favour certain types of players and seriously challenges others. I think it's enough of a factor to keep in mind your roster composition and the types of players if you were to consider hiring AV. You want to have a healthy contingent of players who are keen and able to play to, and execute a system. He's only ever got room for a few real "freelancers" in his lineup.

With the way he coaches a team to play...it can be a real jenga stack. When everyone is doing their job and the whole machine is working, it's some of the most aesthetically pleasing hockey out there imo. But once you get a few guys freelancing, or a few boneheads who just don't seem to understand their role...it can fall apart in a catastrophic way.


It's weird to me, to see people attribute to AV a lot of the flaws that actually apply to the beloved John Tortorella. To me, they're radically different coaches and seem likely wildly different people.


But i'd hire to coach any team i ran. Easily.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Can't speak much about his coaching style, as I only saw his teams a few times a year, but, given his track record, someone will give him another job as a head coach.

 

[RebuildinVan]

He was able to adjust his style here in Van, from defense first to driving the offense. But he isnt good with young players and this is more and more a young players game than 10 years ago so and AC gig is more in order

 

[TheGreenTBer]

@Machinehead

Machinehead has AV and Girardi murals in his bedroom

 

[Brookbank]

title says it all.

jackets fired their head coach and so I’ve been pondering replacement ideas for my squad.

enlighten me about Mr. V

and no, i’m not alain. lol

He was an elite coach. There was something special about how he managed the game from 2007-2012.

He is not a players coach though. He's a drill sargent. If he wants to coach for an 800,000-million dollar salary, he will easily get another job. But his days of making 5 million+ are over

 

[Brookbank]

One of the nicest guys out there. We are members at the same golf course and met him and played with him when I was a little younger, he had to remind me he puts his pants on one leg at a time like I do. Always has the time to chit chat with everyone and always waves hello, he's not a fake that's for sure.

Just wanted to say I think he's a good man, but was always meh on him as a coach

His record and pay package speaks for itself as a coach. Jack Adams, 2 presidents trophies and a final with the Canucks.

But thats nice to hear that he was a good guy off the ice. Loungo once said that there was no joking around when AV walked it. Micheal Grabner said his heart rate went when he seen him.

 

[UnSandvich]

I despised him by the end of his tenure with the Rangers. It was like he went out of his way to make the worst decisions possible for the team

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He is an above average coach, but like most coaches, he wears his welcome out after a few years