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Proposal: Rakell for Byram

Raccoon Jesus said:
I mean value aside am I off for not thinking this is a good fit for Buffalo?

I feel like Byram would be their best trade chip to balance out the D with an RHD rather than chase another forward, much less one in his 30s, no matter how good he is.
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Yup. I’m sure 32yo Rakell is fine if you have a Crosby-caliber center for him, but we don’t. More importantly, Buffalo’s problem has not been lack of scoring. It’s been garbage team defense, inconsistent goaltending, and trash PP coaching. Rakell is an answer to exactly 0 of those problems.
 
Chainshot said:
Right, MP went for a first. He's got more value than Rackell.

Tomasino's best NHL season is about the same as Quinn's worst.
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Quinn has also not shown any sort of progression in the NHL so his "worst season" and "best season" are basically the same.

Tomasino has a career pace of 13 goals and 37 points per 82 games, while Quinn has a career pace of 18 goals and 45 points per 82 games. Not really a huge difference there.
 
I'd rather trade byram for an older RHD if possible. but i'd trade Rosen and a pick for rakel

also for those saying rakell is too old for the sabres, this is why the sabres suck. this "oh just wait until next year when the prospects come and give us a top 6 scorer or top 4 d man we need". no don't work like that you need a mix of proven talent and young up and comers.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Quinn has also not shown any sort of progression in the NHL so his "worst season" and "best season" are basically the same.

Tomasino has a career pace of 13 goals and 37 points per 82 games, while Quinn has a career pace of 18 goals and 45 points per 82 games. Not really a huge difference there.
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He had a partially ruptured achilles and a bad high ankle sprain in season 2. Since the HAS usually take a full year to come back from, it wasn't a surprise to see his game pick up in the later half of this season. I don't recall Tomasino having any such problems.
 
nickdawg95 said:
I'd rather trade byram for an older RHD if possible. but i'd trade Rosen and a pick for rakel

also for those saying rakell is too old for the sabres, this is why the sabres suck. this "oh just wait until next year when the prospects come and give us a top 6 scorer or top 4 d man we need". no don't work like that you need a mix of proven talent and young up and comers.
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Yea Buffalo being the youngest team in the league every year is part of their problem. They could use some good vets tbh.
 
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Chainshot said:
And what about all of the seasons prior to that - 41 combined, 28, 42, 43... the outliers seem more like the 60 pointer and certainly a career high at 31.
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You said "I mean I know Quinn's production which looks kinda similar to Rackell's in Pittsburgh outside of what looks like a surprise fluke year."

Rakell has had 3 seasons in Pittsburgh, and two of them have been 60+ point seasons - both of which are much better than any season Quinn has had.

Prior to Pittsburgh in Anaheim, Rakell missed a fair number of games and played with nothing close to a 1st line center for any of those years. Check the Ducks leading scorers for the years you're referencing and see what I mean.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
You said "I mean I know Quinn's production which looks kinda similar to Rackell's in Pittsburgh outside of what looks like a surprise fluke year."

Rakell has had 3 seasons in Pittsburgh, and two of them have been 60+ point seasons - both of which are much better than any season Quinn has had.

Prior to Pittsburgh in Anaheim, Rakell missed a fair number of games and played with nothing close to a 1st line center for any of those years. Check the Ducks leading scorers for the years you're referencing and see what I mean.
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And you think Quinn who has had two injuries to overcome has been playing with anyone close to a #1 center? Quinn's production in Buffalo is very similar to Rakell in Anaheim.
 
Chainshot said:
He had a partially ruptured achilles and a bad high ankle sprain in season 2. Since the HAS usually take a full year to come back from, it wasn't a surprise to see his game pick up in the later half of this season. I don't recall Tomasino having any such problems.
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So...does injury serve as a rationale for underwhelming production just for Quinn, or does it apply to Rakell too:

"Rakell was coming off a disappointing season in which he had just 15 goals and 37 points, leading to questions about his trajectory as a player. Some of his struggles in 2023-24 could be explained by the shoulder injury that nagged him throughout the year."

 
Dipsy Doodle said:
So...does injury serve as a rationale for underwhelming production just for Quinn, or does it apply to Rakell too:

"Rakell was coming off a disappointing season in which he had just 15 goals and 37 points, leading to questions about his trajectory as a player. Some of his struggles in 2023-24 could be explained by the shoulder injury that nagged him throughout the year."

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Does it explain Rakell's production all those years in Anaheim as well? Every one of them?
 
Chainshot said:
And you think Quinn who has had two injuries to overcome has been playing with anyone close to a #1 center? Quinn's production in Buffalo is very similar to Rakell in Anaheim.
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In Quinn's 2 best seasons his production has been worse than most of Rakell's worst seasons.

Rakell's coming off a year where he scored 4 fewer goals than Quinn had points...in his career high year.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
In Quinn's 2 best seasons his production has been worse than most of Rakell's worst seasons.

Rakell's coming off a year where he scored 4 fewer goals than Quinn had points...in his career high year.
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Yep, at the age of 31 playing with one of the best center tandems in the league. He had over 740 minutes with Sid this year, about 200 with Malkin. I would expect he's putting up something decent playing with the likes of them.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
In Quinn's 2 best seasons his production has been worse than most of Rakell's worst seasons.

Rakell's coming off a year where he scored 4 fewer goals than Quinn had points...in his career high year.
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That might be relevant if you were also giving us Crosby but since you’re not…
 
Chainshot said:
Yep, at the age of 31 playing with one of the best center tandems in the league. He had over 740 minutes with Sid this year, about 200 with Malkin. I would expect he's putting up something decent playing with the likes of them.
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35 goals is better than decent, its top 20 in the league. Nuge and Hyman played all year with McJesus and their numbers didn't sniff Rakell's.
 
Value might be there I just don't see Buffalo trading a prime blue chip D like Byram for a 31 (soon to be 32) year old given where they are at.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
So...does injury serve as a rationale for underwhelming production just for Quinn, or does it apply to Rakell too:

"Rakell was coming off a disappointing season in which he had just 15 goals and 37 points, leading to questions about his trajectory as a player. Some of his struggles in 2023-24 could be explained by the shoulder injury that nagged him throughout the year."
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Acheles injuries take 18+ months to fully recover.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Quinn has also not shown any sort of progression in the NHL so his "worst season" and "best season" are basically the same.

Tomasino has a career pace of 13 goals and 37 points per 82 games, while Quinn has a career pace of 18 goals and 45 points per 82 games. Not really a huge difference there.
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He had an Acheles injury in the summer between his rookie and 2nd year. He might have been physically able to return in 6 months, bit it takes an additional year to fully recover.

Add to that a second injury right after returning and he had a slump to start this year.
 
There's probably a team out there that'd give the Pens a first for Rakell, but it'll be an extremely late 1st and frankly I think it'll be a mistake. I dont blame Pittsburgh for trying to sell high on the player it's absolutely the right move for them at this point, but don't be upset at teams that dont want to buy high on an aging winger, particularly a team like Buffalo who has many more important issues than a vet winger for their top 6. Byram for Rakell is terrible value for Buffalo. Zero chance that happens. You'd probably get a grab bag of lesser assets from Buffalo if they even made an offer for Rakell. I doubt that's all that appealing to Penguins fans.
 
Byram's contract is a red herring in this proposal. If the want to sign him long-term, the Sabres can afford him. He's also 2 years away from UFA status and is probably not getting $7M next season from an arbitrator if they decide to go short-term. Rakell is 3 years away from UFA status.

Let's start with the basics:
A winger for a blueliner
A 32-year-old for a 23-year-old
A 70-point forward for a 40-point defenceman

Both good players, but Byram definitely has more value, pretty clearly.

Also think its weird how many people see Byram as replaceable because he's an offence-first LD on a team that has two others who fit the same mold.

Byram played 23 minutes a night and was pretty easily Buffalo's 2nd-best defenceman, and that's with Power and Dahlin already on the team.

If he's traded, who is playing those minutes? The guy they trade Jack Quinn for? Jacob Bryson?
 
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