OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Dull days of July

[TooManyHumans]

The utility guy makes a lot of sense given Nick Gonzalez going down. It's a perfectly fine move on its own. The problem is that they didn't do anything to really improve the team. I know people love BDLC's 18 HRs, but his overall numbers are poor so he's not really adding anything except the occasional HR. Idk, I'm not upset about either move but this team really needed to add a plus bat and they didn't. They added bit parts and they needed more.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The utility guy makes a lot of sense given Nick Gonzalez going down. It's a perfectly fine move on its own. The problem is that they didn't do anything to really improve the team. I know people love BDLC's 18 HRs, but his overall numbers are poor so he's not really adding anything except the occasional HR. Idk, I'm not upset about either move but this team really needed to add a plus bat and they didn't. They added bit parts and they needed more.

What plus bat got traded this deadline

 

[Coastal Kev]

The utility guy makes a lot of sense given Nick Gonzalez going down. It's a perfectly fine move on its own. The problem is that they didn't do anything to really improve the team. I know people love BDLC's 18 HRs, but his overall numbers are poor so he's not really adding anything except the occasional HR. Idk, I'm not upset about either move but this team really needed to add a plus bat and they didn't. They added bit parts and they needed more.

yup......... either swing for the fences or stay put.

 

[metalan2]

Yea..........you LOL'd when I called the Archer trade a historically bad trade. We'll revisit this one again the start of next year.

I mean this is impossible to be that bad, even if you're right.

 

[BusinessGoose]

It could have been worse.

Hope they're net improved... On paper they should be, let's see what happens.

Worst case, i have different names to curse.

 

[td_ice]

Would have loved Rooker (duh), but the fact that no one got him, gives some credence to the reports that A's had no interest in trading him/it would have cost 4-5 top prospects. If it's the latter, no one was willing to go that route.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Considering prices, we ended up doing pretty well and didn't give up a single prospect in the top 10, though I'm not excited about trading Reilly this early.

 

[MrBrightside]

I just feel like people are so desperate for reasons to be optimistic that they find ways to talk themselves into being happy about moves that they'd absolutely crush if equivalent moves were made by the Penguins or Steelers. I'm not even really arguing that they should have gone further in to add to this team, but I just can't get on board with "well it's better than nothing" when you've not really upgraded and added 2025 payroll that will be another excuse not to get actual upgrades over the winter. Hope I'm wrong and I'm not going to belabor it - it's just the baseball equivalent of adding a 7th defenseman and 4th line center while your competitors who already possess deeper rosters trade for Guentzel and Hertl. Carry on. Go Bucs.

Or put more succinctly:

 

[Coastal Kev]

I mean this is impossible to be that bad, even if you're right.

I agree........ no where near that debacle. McAdoo was simply the hitting prospect I wouldn't have included unless they got someone back special.

 

[Ryder71]

I just feel like people are so desperate for reasons to be optimistic that they find ways to talk themselves into being happy about moves that they'd absolutely crush if equivalent moves were made by the Penguins or Steelers. I'm not even really arguing that they should have gone further in to add to this team, but I just can't get on board with "well it's better than nothing" when you've not really upgraded and added 2025 payroll that will be another excuse not to get actual upgrades over the winter. Hope I'm wrong and I'm not going to belabor it - it's just the baseball equivalent of adding a 7th defenseman and 4th line center while your competitors who already possess deeper rosters trade for Guentzel and Hertl. Carry on. Go Bucs.

I think you're underselling things a bit. These are good moves that lengthen the line up. Are they earth shattering? No, but they do move the needle. We're a better team now than we were two hours ago. It's at a minimum a decided step in the right direction.

 

[MrBrightside]

I think you're underselling things a bit. These are good moves that lengthen the line up. Are they earth shattering? No, but they do move the needle. We're a better team now than we were two hours ago. It's at a minimum a decided step in the right direction.

No, no they don't.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

2025
C Endy Bart
1st tellez
2nd Nick or Yorke
SS cruz
3rd hayes
lF Reynolds
CF ??
BLC

 

[MrBrightside]

2025
C Endy Bart
1st tellez
2nd Nick or Yorke
SS cruz
3rd hayes
lF Reynolds
CF ??
BLC

You just set forth an offense that would finish 22nd in runs scored.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I just feel like people are so desperate for reasons to be optimistic that they find ways to talk themselves into being happy about moves that they'd absolutely crush if equivalent moves were made by the Penguins or Steelers. I'm not even really arguing that they should have gone further in to add to this team, but I just can't get on board with "well it's better than nothing" when you've not really upgraded and added 2025 payroll that will be another excuse not to get actual upgrades over the winter. Hope I'm wrong and I'm not going to belabor it - it's just the baseball equivalent of adding a 7th defenseman and 4th line center while your competitors who already possess deeper rosters trade for Guentzel and Hertl. Carry on. Go Bucs.

Or put more succinctly:

Who are Guentzel and Hertl?

 

[OnMyOwn]

Given the cost paid and the production brought in from areas of need, it was fine. Plus they’re both controllable. I actually really like the DLC move.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You just set forth an offense that would finish 22nd in runs scored.

Ok but the rotation will be Skenes Keller Jones Ashcraft Ortiz
They will have a bench of Davis. iKF they will need to spend on a CF in FA

 

[Ryder71]

No, no they don't.

Yes, yes they do. At least they're each hitting over .200.

Relative to several of our players they're a decided upgrade. If you can't acknowledge that fact then you're just choosing to be miserable. Kinda Ironic with your moniker. lol

You just set forth an offense that would finish 22nd in runs scored.

We're what, 28th now?

 

[MrBrightside]

Yes, yes they do. At least they're each hitting over .200.

Relative to several of our players they're a decided upgrade. If you can't acknowledge that fact then you're just choosing to be miserable. Kinda Ironic with your moniker. lol

Speaking of ironic, the guy who's shit all over everything forever on the Penguins thread calling someone else miserable is pure gold.

Just expressing an opinion. If you want to be excited over a corner OF with a .700 OPS and a utility player who NEVER hit until this year and act like we can go to battle with the Braves and Mets and DBacks and Cardinals, good on you.

 

[DaveG]

You just set forth an offense that would finish 22nd in runs scored.

I mean that would be some improvement and the rotation next year is looking pretty good once Ashcraft is ready if he's the real deal.

 

[Coastal Kev]

2025
C Endy Bart
1st tellez
2nd Nick or Yorke
SS cruz
3rd hayes
lF Reynolds
CF ??
BLC

Giving up on Davis at this point is obtuse.

 

[MrBrightside]

I mean that would be some improvement and the rotation next year is looking pretty good once Ashcraft is ready if he's the real deal.

Well they are 23rd this year so not really.

The rotation next year should be great. No question. Made no commentary about the pitching at all.

 

[DaveG]

Well they are 23rd this year so not really.

The rotation next year should be great. No question. Made no commentary about the pitching at all.

Fair. Figured they were lower than that this year for some reason

 

[Ryder71]

Speaking of ironic, the guy who's shit all over everything forever on the Penguins thread calling someone else miserable is pure gold.

Just expressing an opinion. If you want to be excited over a corner OF with a .700 OPS and a utility player who NEVER hit until this year and act like we can go to battle with the Braves and Mets and DBacks and Cardinals, good on you.

Don't conflate or deflect, we're talking buccos here not old dinosaur Penguins, stay on topic!

If we weren't so abysmal with our bats there would be merit to what you're saying. But at least these guys lengthen the line up and can hit north of .240. That in and of itself isn't great, but on THIS team it's a pretty big upgrade. Context is important.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Giving up on Davis at this point is obtuse.

He is on the bench I would rotate the DH spot

 

[td_ice]

GMBC interview (not sure if live, or clips from earlier) on theFAN in about 20 minutes to talk trades.