Draft R1 #30: Rangers select EJ Emery (RHD, USNTDP/USHL)

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I only saw his last shift in the 2nd and the entire third and pretty much every time he became involved with the puck turned out bad, including but not limited to going -2 on his first 2 shifts in the third. For instance, his first shift in the 3rd he vacated the front of the net to wander toward the puck in the corner, didn’t get there before the puck went back to where he was and Cornell scored. On another goal he vacated the front and didn’t get to the guy before he’d moved the puck and it went to the front and in, though it wasn’t scored from where he’d been. But, like I say, it’s one game.
I'm going to bring this over to the Emery thread. I've been biting my tongue on it, for obvious reasons the glowing positive reviews are going to be looked at more favorably. I feel like people put waaaay too much weight into the WJC. The kid has great physical tools- the size and skating ability. His defensive play is obviously his strong suit. I wouldn't call him a bruiser but he does bring a good amount of physicality.

His ability with the puck has to come a long way. As it projects right now, it wouldn't be much different than the stuff that everyone gets on Trouba and Lindgren for. Not hard to envision him making good defensive plays at the NHL level but then when he takes the puck back he's missing passing lanes, bobbling pucks, chipping it off the boards... and the other team winds up with puck again. Because if you've watched this and last seasons' league play that's what you're going to see a decent chunk of. Countless times where I've seen on the break out where he doesn't identify open passing lanes, holds on to it for too long and then just chips the puck off the boards. The difference between a clean break out to spring the offense and a 50/50 puck that the other team can go the other way with. Or times where rather than putting the puck on his teammates tape he'll do a crappy little chip pass that the guy can't really receive cleanly. And when I say that I mean unforced stuff, times where he can make a clean play and doesnt. Thats just in terms of transition, in terms of the offensive zone right now theres really nothing to even talk about. There have been some reports skeptical about his puck moving, I don't really get the ones praising it. When I see that I have to wonder the context of it, because if you're talking about little 10 foot passes and stuff where there isn't much pressure than sure he can make little plays like that... pretty much every single defender in the NHL can make a 10 foot pass with limited pressure on them. So hopefully that's something that'll develop with time

And I completely agree with the people that have mentioned there's plenty of defenders in the NHL who weren't big producers in college but found a new level in the big league. Hell, look at Skjei. The guy had 3 points in his first collegiate season. His highest point total in college was 14 points. He's become a ~40 point top 4 D. Mancini didn't put up numbers, he's shown some legitimate talent at this level. So it's not like I'm counting out Emery, he's got legitimate tools but I think you have to be honest about where he's at right now. Plenty young, plenty of time to work on things

Then there's the other angle where I'm not really sure about the timing of it. You have Fox, Tuba and Schneider on the right side. Braden looks like the obvious heir to Trouba. He was 22 when Emery was chosen. So it kinda seems a hedge against either Schneider fizzling out, or pricing himself out... because by the time Emery arrives Schneider will be in his prime, so I'm not sure about the timeline there. Now Mancini has started to make a bit of a name for himself as prospect as well. Our right side was not much of a pressing need.

When the pick was made it wasn't that I didn't think Emery had an NHL future, it was some of the above points. But hopefully the kid's overall game continues to develop.
 

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I'm going to bring this over to the Emery thread. I've been biting my tongue on it, for obvious reasons the glowing positive reviews are going to be looked at more favorably. I feel like people put waaaay too much weight into the WJC. The kid has great physical tools- the size and skating ability. His defensive play is obviously his strong suit. I wouldn't call him a bruiser but he does bring a good amount of physicality.

His ability with the puck has to come a long way. As it projects right now, it wouldn't be much different than the stuff that everyone gets on Trouba and Lindgren for. Not hard to envision him making good defensive plays at the NHL level but then when he takes the puck back he's missing passing lanes, bobbling pucks, chipping it off the boards... and the other team winds up with puck again. Because if you've watched this and last seasons' league play that's what you're going to see a decent chunk of. Countless times where I've seen on the break out where he doesn't identify open passing lanes, holds on to it for too long and then just chips the puck off the boards. The difference between a clean break out to spring the offense and a 50/50 puck that the other team can go the other way with. Or times where rather than putting the puck on his teammates tape he'll do a crappy little chip pass that the guy can't really receive cleanly. And when I say that I mean unforced stuff, times where he can make a clean play and doesnt. Thats just in terms of transition, in terms of the offensive zone right now theres really nothing to even talk about. There have been some reports skeptical about his puck moving, I don't really get the ones praising it. When I see that I have to wonder the context of it, because if you're talking about little 10 foot passes and stuff where there isn't much pressure than sure he can make little plays like that... pretty much every single defender in the NHL can make a 10 foot pass with limited pressure on them. So hopefully that's something that'll develop with time

And I completely agree with the people that have mentioned there's plenty of defenders in the NHL who weren't big producers in college but found a new level in the big league. Hell, look at Skjei. The guy had 3 points in his first collegiate season. His highest point total in college was 14 points. He's become a ~40 point top 4 D. Mancini didn't put up numbers, he's shown some legitimate talent at this level. So it's not like I'm counting out Emery, he's got legitimate tools but I think you have to be honest about where he's at right now. Plenty young, plenty of time to work on things

Then there's the other angle where I'm not really sure about the timing of it. You have Fox, Tuba and Schneider on the right side. Braden looks like the obvious heir to Trouba. He was 22 when Emery was chosen. So it kinda seems a hedge against either Schneider fizzling out, or pricing himself out... because by the time Emery arrives Schneider will be in his prime, so I'm not sure about the timeline there. Now Mancini has started to make a bit of a name for himself as prospect as well. Our right side was not much of a pressing need.

When the pick was made it wasn't that I didn't think Emery had an NHL future, it was some of the above points. But hopefully the kid's overall game continues to develop.

Pretty much he's not ready either physically or with his skillset. Usually sometime around the middle to towards the end of the first round until the end of the draft players tend more to be gambles. The Rangers when picking in that range tend to look for guys who can skate, are real athletes and who have the defense part of the game already pretty much figured out which is pretty much where Emery I think is. The next couple/3 years for him are about getting bigger and stronger and improving on some of the weaker elements of his game. If I remember Skjei spent 3 whole years at Minnesota U. and a year? with the Wolfpack. Maybe not that long with Hartford but he was pretty much a stay at home D in college---so was McDonagh. The offense they acquired they had to work for even after they turned pro and it's not like K'Andre was putting up tons of points at Wisconsin either.

Going forward with Fox, Schneider and Mancini on the right side we should be ready to move on from Trouba this summer. The left side we might have to patch together until Emery/Fortescue are ready to turn pro.
 

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Pretty much he's not ready either physically or with his skillset. Usually sometime around the middle to towards the end of the first round until the end of the draft players tend more to be gambles. The Rangers when picking in that range tend to look for guys who can skate, are real athletes and who have the defense part of the game already pretty much figured out which is pretty much where Emery I think is. The next couple/3 years for him are about getting bigger and stronger and improving on some of the weaker elements of his game. If I remember Skjei spent 3 whole years at Minnesota U. and a year? with the Wolfpack. Maybe not that long with Hartford but he was pretty much a stay at home D in college---so was McDonagh. The offense they acquired they had to work for even after they turned pro and it's not like K'Andre was putting up tons of points at Wisconsin either.

Going forward with Fox, Schneider and Mancini on the right side we should be ready to move on from Trouba this summer. The left side we might have to patch together until Emery/Fortescue are ready to turn pro.
I will say, if Emery was a LHD I don't think I'd have an issue with the pick
 

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I will say, if Emery was a LHD I don't think I'd have an issue with the pick

Schneider and Mancini can play both sides so I’m less concerned if all the pieces fall in to place honestly.

Also for a guy who is going to lean defense, I don’t hate his stick being positioned so his forehand is towards the middle of the ice
 

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Was at the North Dakota Miami Friday game in Oxford a couple hours ago. Thoughts on Emery:

Emery didn't play a ton and was fine overall. Things that I noticed right away is Emery's mobility to get him all over the ice, jump in the play, get back on D, and create space for himself. His offensive game is still not there at all, but he can get pucks to net front for chaos; he's just not going to rip it bar down past goalies. Still a long way to go, but definitely has the tools to be a solid defensive defenseman on the Rangers 2nd or 3rd pair.
 
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Was at the North Dakota Miami Friday game in Oxford a couple hours ago. Thoughts on Emery:

Emery didn't play a ton and was fine overall. Things that I noticed right away is Emery's mobility to get him all over the ice, jump in the play, get back on D, and create space for himself. His offensive game is still not there at all, but he can get pucks to net front for chaos; he's just not going to rip it bar down past goalies. Still a long way to go, but definitely has the tools to be a solid defensive defenseman on the Rangers 2nd or 3rd pair.
Glad to hear/read this.Thanks for the report.
 

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Glad to hear/read this.Thanks for the report.
No problem. I went back and watched the highlights (UND Insider has most of the highlights on YouTube) and Emery had a really bad slide attempt to cut off a pass lane, putting him out of position, and the rebound was put in the net. That's the only real negative that I found from his game. UND didn't play well for much of the night, but as mentioned, Emery didn't play a ton & was just fine. They're watching his minutes at the moment.
 

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His legs are so small. Image when he gets some leg strength

I'm going to bring this over to the Emery thread. I've been biting my tongue on it, for obvious reasons the glowing positive reviews are going to be looked at more favorably. I feel like people put waaaay too much weight into the WJC. The kid has great physical tools- the size and skating ability. His defensive play is obviously his strong suit. I wouldn't call him a bruiser but he does bring a good amount of physicality.

His ability with the puck has to come a long way. As it projects right now, it wouldn't be much different than the stuff that everyone gets on Trouba and Lindgren for. Not hard to envision him making good defensive plays at the NHL level but then when he takes the puck back he's missing passing lanes, bobbling pucks, chipping it off the boards... and the other team winds up with puck again. Because if you've watched this and last seasons' league play that's what you're going to see a decent chunk of. Countless times where I've seen on the break out where he doesn't identify open passing lanes, holds on to it for too long and then just chips the puck off the boards. The difference between a clean break out to spring the offense and a 50/50 puck that the other team can go the other way with. Or times where rather than putting the puck on his teammates tape he'll do a crappy little chip pass that the guy can't really receive cleanly. And when I say that I mean unforced stuff, times where he can make a clean play and doesnt. Thats just in terms of transition, in terms of the offensive zone right now theres really nothing to even talk about. There have been some reports skeptical about his puck moving, I don't really get the ones praising it. When I see that I have to wonder the context of it, because if you're talking about little 10 foot passes and stuff where there isn't much pressure than sure he can make little plays like that... pretty much every single defender in the NHL can make a 10 foot pass with limited pressure on them. So hopefully that's something that'll develop with time

And I completely agree with the people that have mentioned there's plenty of defenders in the NHL who weren't big producers in college but found a new level in the big league. Hell, look at Skjei. The guy had 3 points in his first collegiate season. His highest point total in college was 14 points. He's become a ~40 point top 4 D. Mancini didn't put up numbers, he's shown some legitimate talent at this level. So it's not like I'm counting out Emery, he's got legitimate tools but I think you have to be honest about where he's at right now. Plenty young, plenty of time to work on things

Then there's the other angle where I'm not really sure about the timing of it. You have Fox, Tuba and Schneider on the right side. Braden looks like the obvious heir to Trouba. He was 22 when Emery was chosen. So it kinda seems a hedge against either Schneider fizzling out, or pricing himself out... because by the time Emery arrives Schneider will be in his prime, so I'm not sure about the timeline there. Now Mancini has started to make a bit of a name for himself as prospect as well. Our right side was not much of a pressing need.

When the pick was made it wasn't that I didn't think Emery had an NHL future, it was some of the above points. But hopefully the kid's overall game continues to develop.
At this spot in the draft you picking best player available. No team ever will complain about having too many good rhd. Other teams are always looking for rhd, they are like centers
 

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Was at the North Dakota Miami Friday game in Oxford a couple hours ago. Thoughts on Emery:

Emery didn't play a ton and was fine overall. Things that I noticed right away is Emery's mobility to get him all over the ice, jump in the play, get back on D, and create space for himself. His offensive game is still not there at all, but he can get pucks to net front for chaos; he's just not going to rip it bar down past goalies. Still a long way to go, but definitely has the tools to be a solid defensive defenseman on the Rangers 2nd or 3rd pair.

Just to throw in here, he played the 3rd amount among defenseman in this game you saw, and yesterday, with just under 20 minutes in each. So he played a decent amount.
 

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In a short tournament like the WJC, teams have been valueing 2-way play for defensemen more and more, and with good reason. You play, at most, 7 games. You need possible contributions from everyone involved. EJ Emery's lack of offense cost him. It's still a work in progress.

But to be the final cut at age 18, is nothing to scoff at, especially with the depth USA has this year on the blueline.
 
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