Series Talk: R1 (2025): Vegas (1st Pacific) vs Wild (WC1) | Series Tied 1-1

[f7ben]

I get the feeling Khus threatened to head back to the khl and Guerin threw a fit and trade him. He didn’t care if he had to add Lauko and a pick to be rid of him and he looked at Brazeau size and said I’ll take that one.

 

[AKL]

I get the feeling Khus threatened to head back to the khl and Guerin threw a fit and trade him. He didn’t care if he had to add Lauko and a pick to be rid of him and he looked at Brazeau size and said I’ll take that one.

I guess if Guerin told him he was going to the AHL, maybe? But I don't know why Guerin would do tha. Plus the timing right at the deadline makes me think that wasn't what happened. Think it was a premeditated move by Guerin to get more size in the bottom six.

 

[f7ben]

I guess if Guerin told him he was going to the AHL, maybe? But I don't know why Guerin would do tha. Plus the timing right at the deadline makes me think that wasn't what happened. Think it was a premeditated move by Guerin to get more size in the bottom six.

He had been assigned to the AHL a few days prior to the trade

 

[AKL]

He had been assigned to the AHL a few days prior to the trade

Oh I guess I forgot about that, yeah then that's probably what happened

 

[Wabit]

You don't give up on a 22 year old rookie because he's not quite a good NHL player yet.

Why? At what age or how many games is it okay to give up on him? 25 with 250 games? They had 70+ NHL games to look at him. He wasn't anything special as a KHL player either. He shouldn't have been in the NHL at all imo. He was a downgrade for Dewar and Shaw on the 4th line and I didn't want them on the ice either.

He has speed is the only positive thing that said about him. Not "he has a good shot", not "he has good hockey IQ", not "he is a good passer", not "he is physical", not "he is good at FOs", not "he is good in the d-zone", not "he can stick handle in a phone booth," etc.

The only reason is that he was drafted by the Wild and there is some weird emotional tie because of that. If he was drafted by any other team in the league nobody here would even know his name or want him on the team.

Seriously which player do you want on the team:
NHL: 91 games: 6g/16p KHL: 162 games, 22g/75p
NHL: 96 games: 16g/29p AHL: 189 games, 53g/118p

I'll take the chance on the guy that has scored goals at every level.

 

[AKL]

Seriously which player do you want on the team:
NHL: 91 games: 6g/16p KHL: 162 games, 22g/75p
NHL: 96 games: 16g/29p AHL: 189 games, 53g/118p

I'll take the chance on the guy that has scored goals at every level.

This is how we ended up with Brazeau. Someone who just stat watches to inform their opinion, ignoring all context.

I said you don't give up on a 22 year old because he's not quite a good NHL player yet, and your response was to say "70 games into his career is more than enough time to judge what his entire career will look like" and then went on to tell me how he's not quite good yet.

You continue to ignore the fact that 22 year old rookies generally improve.

 

[f7ben]

Why? At what age or how many games is it okay to give up on him? 25 with 250 games? They had 70+ NHL games to look at him. He wasn't anything special as a KHL player either. He shouldn't have been in the NHL at all imo. He was a downgrade for Dewar and Shaw on the 4th line and I didn't want them on the ice either.

He has speed is the only positive thing that said about him. Not "he has a good shot", not "he has good hockey IQ", not "he is a good passer", not "he is physical", not "he is good at FOs", not "he is good in the d-zone", not "he can stick handle in a phone booth," etc.

The only reason is that he was drafted by the Wild and there is some weird emotional tie because of that. If he was drafted by any other team in the league nobody here would even know his name or want him on the team.

Seriously which player do you want on the team:
NHL: 91 games: 6g/16p KHL: 162 games, 22g/75p
NHL: 96 games: 16g/29p AHL: 189 games, 53g/118p

I'll take the chance on the guy that has scored goals at every level.

The one goal Marat scored where he blew the doors of everyone with speed and then buried a nice snipe past the goalie was better than 20 goals Brazeau scored where he lumbered his way to the front and someone shot the puck in off his breezer.

 

[Wabit]

This is how we ended up with Brazeau. Someone who just stat watches to inform their opinion, ignoring all context.

What context? Marat K added nothing to the team other than a warm body. The adv and regular stats have Brazeau as an improvement over Marat K for their NHL time. The only context is "my teddy bear is better than your teddy bear, because it's mine."

MN, for some reason, played him at center and put his as a main PKer. He is suited for neither role. He not good enough to belong on the PP. He doesn't have the grit or skills to be on an "energy line." So what positive role did he add to the team? Someone for Kap to speak in Russian with?

Honestly, MN had to kid glove MaratK because of Yurov. Yurov is on NHL or KHL track, the AHL isn't an option (other than an on paper roster move). Wild just showed with MaratK that signing out of the KHL guarantees a NHL spot, deserved or not.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The one goal Marat scored where he blew the doors of everyone with speed and then buried a nice snipe past the goalie was better than 20 goals Brazeau scored where he lumbered his way to the front and someone shot the puck in off his breezer.

That one goal was 50% of his goals. I would've liked better trade, but a trade in a vacuum is fine.

In Boston, he's playing 3:30 more per game, but still getting SOG's at a similar rate in MN. Difference is 27% shooting.

If Rossi stays, and Eriksson Ek stays, and Yurov is a center, he's not moving up the lineup. And even if one of those doesn't happen, it's probably better for the team to go find a better center than Khusnutdinov would be anyway.

All of this isn't to defend the actual trade that was made. Brazeau is even more of a nothing.

 

[AKL]

What context? Marat K added nothing to the team other than a warm body. The adv and regular stats have Brazeau as an improvement over Marat K for their NHL time.

The context behind Brazeau's stats, come on, you're better than that.

Your argument is still entirely hinging on the now, ignoring the fact that 22 year old rookies generally improve. Sorry, you're not gonna convince me here because you're not even grasping the point.

 

[AKL]

And even if one of those doesn't happen, it's probably better for the team to go find a better center than Khusnutdinov would be anyway.

All of this isn't to defend the actual trade that was made. Brazeau is even more of a nothing.

Could be. Marat could have even been that next season, who knows. But ultimately you wait until you find the better center to move him. Now they shorted themselves a center without improving the team in any way.

 

[f7ben]

That one goal was 50% of his goals. I would've liked better trade, but a trade in a vacuum is fine.

In Boston, he's playing 3:30 more per game, but still getting SOG's at a similar rate in MN. Difference is 27% shooting.

If Rossi stays, and Eriksson Ek stays, and Yurov is a center, he's not moving up the lineup. And even if one of those doesn't happen, it's probably better for the team to go find a better center than Khusnutdinov would be anyway.

All of this isn't to defend the actual trade that was made. Brazeau is even more of a nothing.

My real issue is that because Guerin made this trade Brazeau is jammed into the lineup even though he doesn’t even merit a spot in Des Moines. He’s f***ing horrid and we are stuck watching him damage the team.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

My real issue is that because Guerin made this trade Brazeau is jammed into the lineup even though he doesn’t even merit a spot in Des Moines. He’s f***ing horrid and we are stuck watching him damage the team.

Saying false things just to try and make your argument stronger doesn't do any good. He's actually a very good AHL producer.

 

[AKL]

Nyquist needs to have a good series too. He's been pretty bad and that trade was a bad trade too.

 

[AKL]

Hartman needs to have a good series too but he's stuck between Trenin and Brazeau so I'm just gonna go ahead and issue him a pass in advance.

 

[Wabit]

The one goal Marat scored where he blew the doors of everyone with speed and then buried a nice snipe past the goalie was better than 20 goals Brazeau scored where he lumbered his way to the front and someone shot the puck in off his breezer.

Damn Brazeau has some lucky breezers. The ECHL plug, as you call him, went a ppg in his 1 year in that league. Marat K's goals for MN: tip, breakaway, slotshot.

Hmm a breakaway goal in the Playoffs seems nice.

 

[AKL]

I want to be able to see what Rossi can do in the playoffs, but I'm not expecting any offense from him if he's also stuck between Foligno and Nyquist. And I don't think it's fair for anyone to expect any offense from him there either.

 

[AKL]

It would be nice for Boldy to finally take over and drive the bus with Kaprizov still injured and/or rusty. Shows flashes but so inconsistent. Let's see him become the man this series.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I want to be able to see what Rossi can do in the playoffs, but I'm not expecting any offense from him if he's also stuck between Foligno and Nyquist. And I don't think it's fair for anyone to expect any offense from him there either.

I expect big things from the top line if it stays together, and everybody else chips as they can.

Being between Foligno and Nyquist might be an excuse for 2 points in 6 games. It's not an excuse for 0 points in 6 games.

 

[AKL]

Being between Foligno and Nyquist might be an excuse for 2 points in 6 games. It's not an excuse for 0 points in 6 games.

2 points is all I'm looking for out of him unless the lineup changes.

Still makes way more sense to me to put Rossi with Boldy and Kaprizov, Ek with Foligno, and the rest of them wherever they fit.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

2 points is all I'm looking for out of him unless the lineup changes.

Still makes way more sense to me to put Rossi with Boldy and Kaprizov, Ek with Foligno, and the rest of them wherever they fit.

I think the top line could see upwards of 23 minutes per game, and likely against some pretty good offensive players. I'm thinking Ek there to try and mitigate that somewhat is what it is.

 

[AKL]

I think the top line could see upwards of 23 minutes per game, and likely against some pretty good offensive players. I'm thinking Ek there to try and mitigate that somewhat is what it is.

No doubt that's what it is, it's just not what I'd go for.

Kaprizov-Rossi-Boldy
Foligno-Ek-Zuccarello?
Johansson-Gaudreau-Nyquist?
Trenin-Hartman-Hinostroza

Chase the Ek-Eichel matchup whenever you can, try to get the top line away from the Vegas' good players.

Side note: really wasn't sure I'd live to see the day that our center depth is fine and our wingers are horrendous.

 

[f7ben]

Saying false things just to try and make your argument stronger doesn't do any good. He's actually a very good AHL producer.

Maybe he’s already peaked , he looks substantially worse than Shore or Gaunce

 

[Wabit]

Nyquist needs to have a good series too. He's been pretty bad and that trade was a bad trade too.

Awful trade, it was an overpay at the time. Didn't they pay a 5th for him the 1st time, maybe injured? His time in NHS was rather unimpressive. He better show up for the Playoffs.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

It’s fun watching someone have a meltdown over the same thing over and over. lol