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Fatass
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Yep. While also producing at around PPG for his career, in much lower scoring environments
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FissionFire
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I would love to take a flyer on fringe NHLer Zeev Buium who I’m very certain doesn’t fit in Minnesota. I’m sure a late pick or fringe prospect will do it for this necessary change-of-scenery trade.
Fatass
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Clearly Kopitar is a HHOF guy. IMO Byfield is the heir apparent to Kopitar. He might not be a HHOF level player but he’s still going to be a good player to lead a club’s top forwards. I just don’t see LA trading a guy they have such high expectations for, unless the return is a big overpay.
This is flat out lying.
He is a 60+ point center who scored PPG exactly 1 time his career.
Of course the season right before his contract renewal.
He is actually the main reason for being in a lower scoring environment.
He never clicks with real talented players and the reason for his point production the last years
is that Kempe started to play hockey by himself.
If you pair him with any other winger on our team he will drop down to 40 points in no time.
Kings fans have been blessed with a HoF center for the last 19 years who's still playing great hockey as a 37 year old and many of us are incredibly grateful... Then there's this guy lol
bland
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Kopitar is a Hall of Famer due to his nationality and longevity, not his peak level performance - which was consistently very good, but never "great".
Having a #1 center choosing defensive responsibility over offense for nearly 20 years only works when your team is loaded with depth. When it isn't - and it hasn't been for all but 3 years of his career - it's as much of a curse as a blessing.
Having a #1 center choosing defensive responsibility over offense for nearly 20 years only works when your team is loaded with depth. When it isn't - and it hasn't been for all but 3 years of his career - it's as much of a curse as a blessing.
Gretzky himself called Kopitar a top 3 player in the world in his prime (I believe it was 2014) but ok
Saying Kopitar wasn't great in his prime is so absurd
...without Kopitar, you don't win those Cups...the guy is DESERVEDLY walking into the HHoF...if he didn't play in the same Era as Bergeron, he would have OWNED the Selke...such bad takes...
Kopitar is a 60+ point center.
McDavid is great, McKinnon is great, Crosby was great Malkin was great.
If any, Kopitar was lucky that Carter and Williams were added to the team.
It was also the stellar moment from Dustin Brown, who dragged the Kings to the cup.
Gretzky might have a been a great player but beside that he is clueless regarding hockey.
Just watch his performance after his player career.
Fact is that opponents top players mop the floor with Kopitar and he collects point by playing in a division full of AHL teams.
Because he is from Slovenia he gets the Joe Nieuwendyk treatment.
If a defensive center belongs into the HoF, it's actually Datsyuk who is the elite version of Kopitar
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SoundwaveIsCharisma
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Love Kopitar (was really hoping the Avs would be able to acquire him when the Kings were in their rebuild), but Gretzky says a lot of fluff about a lot of players. Hell, at one point he said Ossi Vaananen was going to be the Finnish Pronger.
This is a weird take, just some quick math and his career average over 1400+ games is 72.2 points per 82 GP. And it's not like he ever had a peak stretch driving the numbers up.
77 in 81
81 in 82
73 in 75
76 in 82
42 in 47
74 in 82
92 in 82
62 in 70
50 in 56
74 in 82
…… this isn’t “around PPG” season to you? lol.
He’s never scored less than a 60pt pace in a season his entire career. Hes been a VASTLY better offensive player than Byfield
Trash Panda
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Dude, I know you’ve been beating this drum since the prime days of LGK, but longevity of a poorly formed opinion doesn’t make it any more true.
Is Kopitar as good of a player as his physical tools are capable of providing? Absolutely not. Not even close. Kopi is possibly the most physically gifted player in kings history, and is capable of so much more.
Suggesting that Kopitar isnt a first ballot HHOF player in any sort of universe is just plain wrong. It’s not rooted in even a shred of truth, regardless of the supporting cast he has or hasn’t had.
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Maybe a gentle reminder that Kopitar was also doing lots of that in a lower scoring era on a basement offense so he was consistently finishing in the top 20ish in scoring while racking up selke votes...he was also outscoring his teammates routinely by 20-30 points while leading the league in forward ice time AND getting all the hard assignments including full PK time and playing something like 99% of his possible NHL games. Hard ass full time minutes for two decades. Magnificence.
We should be so lucky if Byfield sniffs his jock. I think his all around game is underrated here but man there is some serious crack being smoked here.
We should be so lucky if Byfield sniffs his jock. I think his all around game is underrated here but man there is some serious crack being smoked here.
Not sure what to say here.....
Maybe we have different definitions of what PPG is.
In reality PPG is Point Per Game
Now you explain me how 76 points in 82 games is PPG.
Do you have it the other way around? 82 games per 76 points?
This would be GPP and a really weird statistic.
Also the 60pt pace is nothing nothing to highlight.
It is the opposite, if you ask for leagues top money but score half the points of $6 mill players
bland
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Where did I say that?
He is going in because he is the first Slovenian impact player, which is a major accomplishment, his incredible longevity of consistent, very good hockey, and the major contribution to two Cups. He is NOT going in based on being a superlative offensive player or a catalyst. This is not a "star" - he is habitually labeled as underrated because he simply never qualified for those things people "rate".
And that's all nonsense anyway. Any team would have been better off for having him, but there is a laundry list of issues he has presented that have done actual harm to the team.
Its all well and good to play matchup hockey with the likes of Thornton, Sedin and Getzlaf, but you simply do not need to err on the side of defense when you are up against Langkows, Hanzals, Backes' and the like. The Kings have long suffered from offensive ineptitude because their best offensive player wouldn't push the pace or alter his game at all when they needed offense. Anze has NEVER adapted his game to the changing style of the sport, he has willingly stayed in 3rd gear.
No opposition has ever had to change their tactics to face Kopitar because they knew that the Kings best offensive weapon was going to focus on defense. It has continually allowed teams to use their shutdown lines and pairs against the Kings secondary offensive units and it just squashed them for years.
All those seasons of poor playoff matchups, low seedings without home ice, all that could have been avoided if Kopitar pushed for 90 points instead of accepting high 60s and saw wven slightly better regular season success. He had the ability and chose not to use it. He cheated for defense over offense. Sure, it's more noble, but its still cheating an aspect of the game that the Kings were so poor at for soon long. He has been the best player on a niche team for a long time, got comfortable, and never gave more when needed.
His famous quote is "when everyone is good, no one has to be great", which is fantastic when you have Williams Richards, Carter, Brown and Gaborik. But when everyone isn't good, and you DO need your best to be great to succeed, Anze never once stepped up. He stayed at the same, consistently very good, solid level.
He AND the team would have been better off if he tried harder and burned out at 35 instead of holding back and still being a middle of the pack first line center for this long.
You guys really come up with the weirdest self made statistics.
There is nothing like a points per imaginary 82 games.
He ha an average of 60+ points per season and nothing else counts.
Pace and what could/would be, are no real statistics, otherwise i would claim in those imaginary games he would score 4 own goals per game.
Also not counting a streak is funny to me, since he only had a single PPG+ season with 92 points which was outstanding and never repeated.
The stats over the last 3 years are also super inflated since every team in Pacific but Edmonton and Vegas is on AHL level
SettlementRichie10
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Don’t forget trading Faber for a golden retriever.
Kings could be loaded right now with Eichel, Kopitar, Doughty, Faber, Clarke, and Vilardi.
SettlementRichie10
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This is an idiotic take, Bland.
It’s also the same ambiguous, unfalsifiable “he just doesn’t have the KILLER INSTINCT” nonsense that people trot out in Lebron vs Jordan debates. It means nothing. It’s a Monday morning ESPN debate segment, and a juvenile, romanticized view of the game.
Kopitar is going to wind up top thirty in points in the history of the league. He is a first ballot HoFer by every conceivable metric of hockey, including offense. Get a hold of yourself.
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