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Prospect Info: Quinton Byfield (2nd Overall 2020 Draft) Discussion part II

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Peter James Bond II said:
QB is looking better and had a good game vs the Oil....but he's still looking like more of a finesse player, instead of a power forward. It's mainly due to being 19 and not being nearly done growing, filling out and adding muscle. I recall when Kyle Clifford made the Kings and was playing at 18...he kind of freakishly had a man's body. That's not the norm.

It seems even just 2 years from now, QB wil be more of a physical force and less finnesse, but he'll probably always have finnesse, as that is his style. He looks 6'5" 200 right now, even though he's apparently 220.
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That's because he's not a power forward.. he is a finesse player. Think more Matthews/Malkin/Thornton in terms of using his size and skill to protect the puck. He's a big bodied kid who has the skill of a 5'10" forward. His game has never been about power, more skill, speed and vision.
 
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staveNsteel said:
That's because he's not a power forward.. he is a finesse player. Think more Matthews/Malkin/Thornton in terms of using his size and skill to protect the puck. He's a big bodied kid who has the skill of a 5'10" forward. His game has never been about power, more skill, speed and vision.
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With a longer stick, he becomes Malkin 2.0
 
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staveNsteel said:
That's because he's not a power forward.. he is a finesse player. Think more Matthews/Malkin/Thornton in terms of using his size and skill to protect the puck. He's a big bodied kid who has the skill of a 5'10" forward. His game has never been about power, more skill, speed and vision.
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Not true.
His fine skills aren't as good as the kind of 5'10 guy you draft in the top 5. If that was true, he would have gone #1 overall in a cakewalk.

He went #2 overall because of size, power and speed that left scouts drooling. The skill should be above average when all is said and done.
The vision has always been a bit of a question mark.
 
User Max McBolt posted this in the main board Byfield thread re: larger players breaking out more slowly, nice empirical evidence for something we always believed and had anecdotes for, but what's really interesting is it also applies to the smallest players:

Max McBolt said:
Fantasy Hockey guru "Dobber" has developed a formula to calculate players Breakout Threshold.

You can probably find informations about it online on his free stuff, but it is well explained in the yearly Fantasy guides he sell.

If I remember correctly he had first used all the stats from every NHL players going back +50 years and figured out that the majority of players' breakout happened on average on their 4th season playing in the NHL.


Over the years he's refined his formula with some help from his community to arrive at something that was more accurate :

- An average-sized player (between 5'10 and 6'2, or between 171 and 214 pounds) will start to break through after 200 regular season games.

-Smaller-sized (less than 5'10 / 171) AND Bigger-size players (more than 6'2 / 214) need 400 NHL regular season games.


This proved to be somewhat accurate in like 70-75% of players with them breaking out in some ways around those two threshold.

It is an average and not an exact science as it can happen around game 355 for some players or game 445 for some others. It is harder to predict if the 6'2 / 6'3 players will follow the 200 or 400 GP paths.
And depending on talent players break out in different ways than others.

I do a lot of winning in Dynasty Fantasy Hockey leagues and one of the main rule I follow is to never quit on a prospect before he pass his Breakout Threshold to see if he's got another gear.

This is why I didn't quit on Robert Thomas last year, and this is why I won't quit on Filip Zadina this year.
This is also why I acquired Noah Hanifin for cheap last offseason while he was sitting at 436 GP thinking he hadn't hit his BT yet.

Sean Couturier didn't have elite production before his 7th NHL season after 416 GP and I expect the same kind of timeline for Quinton Byfield.
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The single biggest thing that Byfield needs to do to become the impact player we all expect is impose himself on the opposition. Everyone in the hockey world can already see it with this kid and will comment on it during games. The combination of size, skill and hockey smarts is a rare commodity in this game.

My only worry is that will be a limiting factor in his game unless he wants it bad enough. Almost like putting Kobe Bryant's brain into Shaq's body. The possibilities are endless. I wish the best for Quinton. He is still very young and has lots to learn.
 
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YAYSAy said:
Why wouldn't you be as well? That shows a lack of foresight and preparedness on Todd's part. You'd defend him if he were caught murdering someone
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Incorrect....the correct answer is I have better things to do than get my panties in a pinch over BS like that. In the meantime, I'm gonna pop another beer and enjoy the ride...it's been awhile.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
Incorrect....the correct answer is I have better things to do than get my panties in a pinch over BS like that. In the meantime, I'm gonna pop another beer and enjoy the ride...it's been awhile.
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Imagine thinking complaining about complaining is somehow better

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Axl Rhoadz said:
Incorrect....the correct answer is I have better things to do than get my panties in a pinch over BS like that. In the meantime, I'm gonna pop another beer and enjoy the ride...it's been awhile.
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You in fact, are correct. We are playing with HOUSE MONEY. No matter what happens, great,good,bad or terrible, we weren't expected to be here. I'd say with the game 1 win, terrible is pretty much off the board. At this very moment, we have more playoff wins this year,than the Florida Panthers lol. Life is gooood.
 
Watch every game like it’s your last 🤮

Eat love pray is more appealing.
 
bmr said:
The single biggest thing that Byfield needs to do to become the impact player we all expect is impose himself on the opposition. Everyone in the hockey world can already see it with this kid and will comment on it during games. The combination of size, skill and hockey smarts is a rare commodity in this game.

My only worry is that will be a limiting factor in his game unless he wants it bad enough. Almost like putting Kobe Bryant's brain into Shaq's body. The possibilities are endless. I wish the best for Quinton. He is still very young and has lots to learn.
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Skate harder.
Initiate contact, even if you don't hit.
Think faster and better.
He's got to act like he belongs.

I liked the way he skated in the third period in Game 1. But what's that? 2 shifts?
Coach was justifiably scared to put him on the ice.
 
MBH said:
Skate harder.
Initiate contact, even if you don't hit.
Think faster and better.
He's got to act like he belongs.

I liked the way he skated in the third period in Game 1. But what's that? 2 shifts?
Coach was justifiably scared to put him on the ice.
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We've seen flashes of brilliance. I think we all are just collectively hoping that he can string that together over the course of the season. If he can, that will be downright scary for other teams.

I'm a little concerned that he didn't dominate more in the AHL. You see guys like Jeff Carter at 19/20 put up 23 points in 21 playoffs games for the Phantoms. He definitely seems a little more timid/lost at times.
 
bmr said:
We've seen flashes of brilliance. I think we all are just collectively hoping that he can string that together over the course of the season. If he can, that will be downright scary for other teams.

I'm a little concerned that he didn't dominate more in the AHL. You see guys like Jeff Carter at 19/20 put up 23 points in 21 playoffs games for the Phantoms. He definitely seems a little more timid/lost at times.
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He was too young to be in the AHL. Kid needed more junior time.
THis year, he should have been in the AHL all year. But Kings forced him to the NHL.
Weird development plan, IMO.
What can you do but hope it works in the end?
 
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