Proposal: Quinn Hughes vs N°2 draft 2022

[Panthaz89]

Might want run your numbers. I’m real curious what you feel Dahlin has been better at, at the NHL level.

probably at scoring goals considering he scored more even strength goals last season than Quinn Hughes had total.......oh yeah and doesn't have a PPG let alone 99 point player to leach assists off.

 

[jmelm]

I haven't read the entire thread, but even if I did, I'm not sure how or why the conversation turned from "Huges for 2nd overall" to "Hughes vs Dahlin". All I would say on the latter part is the following:

- Hughes has had a more seamless progression, betting better each year. Fantastic player, and it's rare that young Dmen have the kind of linear progression he has had, rather than the usual ups & downs. Big testament to the quality, smarts and commitment of this player.

- Dahlin is going through the typical ups & downs and inconsistency that the vast majority of young Dmen go through.

- We will not know who the better Dman between these 2 is for about 3 more years.

- The both play very, very different styles of games. Just because they both have offensive skill and the ability to produce offence, theat doesn't make them any less apples vs. oranges.

As for the origianl proposal: from a pure value point of view, the 2nd overall pick for Hughes is not unreasonable. I would want at least a little something extra if I'm VAN just because Hughes is established (NJD's 2nd rounder this year, because it's high in the 2nd round may be enough of an add). HOWEVER, from a context point of view, VAN is not going to trade Hughes for a 2nd overall pick in THIS draft. That is what the OP wasn't aware of and should have been, since Hughes is a key part of the core and this draft doesn't have a generational player worth deviating from that core.

On the other hand, if the offer was Hughes for the 2nd overall pick in 2023, as much as VAN doesn't want to trade Hughes, they wouldn't be able to pass on the generation type talent that should be there at the top of the 2023 draft. But no such offer would be made by whoever has the #2 pick next year so it's irrelevant. However it is instructive that not all 2nd overall picks are equal and the players at #2 this year are approximately equal in value to Hughes, not superior, so VAN would have no reason to make that trade -- unless they decided to blow up the entire team and start fresh, which none of us see happening.

 

[wetcoast]

The exchange is already perfectly balanced.

Vancouver won't give away its well-signed No. 1 goaltender for nothing.

These 2 sentences don't make any logical sense though as Hughes is a controlled asset who is arguably a top 10 Dman in the league right now>

And I say this despite being critical of his muffin shot.

There is just ZERO chance that anyone makes this trade as the GM of the Vancouver Canucks.

Why even float the idea?

 

[Three On Zero]

I see the Canucks rebuilding. Reconstruction means changing key players. Q.Hughes is not the problem. The problem is the structure around him for his prime. With the current structure, Vancouver will do C- seasons and then go towards a reconstruction around 2026 with a Quinn Hughes to be traded for a late first round, a B prospect and a C veteran as usual.

Don't expect big things before 2030 therefore. Great successes come from anticipating problems.

Q.Hughes for a 2nd choice, it's less confusing than giving Nate Schmidt for a 3rd round after having emptied his defensive players to obtain Ekman Larsson. Disgusting choices at first glance, there are plenty.

Open your mind and simply try to MAKE THE EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND the thinking of others without DENIGRING it.

My bell keeps ringing for dismissive notifications. When I see these stupid reactions, I understand better why we talk so often about harassment on social networks. And no, I am not responsible for this harassment. Having an opinion is not a crime.

It's been several times since I expressed the desire to withdraw from the conversation and stop this, so why are you continuing ?

Stop, okay ?

The Canucks "Core" foundation is all around the same age...To say they need to rebuild is just ignorant. Do they need a on the fly retool? Yes. They have arguably one of the better cores in the Pacific with Pettersson, Horvat, Demko and Hughes. Then they have complimentary players growing in Hoglander and Podkolzin.

In no world do you trade one of the leagues most energetic offensive defenceman for a magic bean in a 2nd overall pick. The value alone is laughable without even adding in the repercussions of what it would do to the team

 

[Siludin]

I am used to it. I believe that on this site, all exchanges are mocked, the first responder had warned elsewhere.

Yet honestly, I thought New Jersey would be seen as the losing team. A 2nd draft pick weighs extremely heavily in the balance. With that pick, NJ can easily find as good as Quinn Hughes. So yes neither Slafkovsky, Cooley or Nemec have played an NHL game. But the chances of them becoming worse than Q.Hughes are low. Especially in defensive play. Vancouver isn't going anywhere right now. The team is heading for a rebuild. Miller wants to leave, Boeser disappoints, veteran structure is bad, prospect pool is weak. The team did not qualify this year and have virtually no chance of qualifying for the next few years.

Yes, you want to keep Q.Hughes 5 years but to do what collectively ? With Cooley you get a potential Elite Medium center to speak in EA Sports terms ; better value at Draft 0 than Q. Hughes had, in a more impactful position. Rather than a season like the one in 2022 best case scenario, you realize a weaker season and can hope to select Michkov, Fantilli or Stramel to surround Cooley. With the 1st round obtained by the exchange of JT.Miller, you select a defender with high potential from the 2022 or 2023 draft (a defender like Pavel Mintyukov or Mikhail Gulyayev).

At worst, let's restructure the exchange:

Q. Hughes vs. pick #2

By keeping pick No. 2, Vancouver can hope for Mateychuk / Mintyukov with n°15 rather than Smith.

Vancouver loses talent for the next few years but makes a return on a No. 7 pick for a No. 2 pick and can hope for profitability with a player with 3 years of rookie contract and 5 years of additional durability compared to Hughes.

Nemec might end up being better than Hughes but would anyone be trading Hughes for a Puljujarvi or a Pierre Luc Dubois or even a Laine? I dunno.
You're suggesting the No. 2 is guaranteed to be at minimum better than Hughes. That is incredibly flawed logic. In a redraft Hughes climbs substantially. I think he goes 1 or 2 OA. Brady Tkachuk or Quinn Hughes probably go first overall in 2017 if GMs had another chance.

 

[Rowlet]

probably at scoring goals considering he scored more even strength goals last season than Quinn Hughes had total.......oh yeah and doesn't have a PPG let alone 99 point player to leach assists off.

Miller only got 99 points because he played with Hughes. It's not a solely parasitic relationship.

 

[Bankers Box]

If the Devils could get Quinn for the #2 and Smith they do it in a heartbeat.

People are really underestimating how good Quinn is.

 

[Donuts]

Quinn Hughes > any of this years draftees , value wise and potential ceiling

 

[DaPhazz]

Quinn Hughes > any of this years draftees , value wise and potential ceiling

This take is as shallow as the OPs, it's confident speculation

 

[ottawa]

Quinn Hughes most valuable than an elite center 5 years youngest with 3 rookie years contrat + LD Top 4 ? Doubtful...

Brutal lol

 

[Donuts]

If the Devils could get Quinn for the #2 and Smith they do it in a heartbeat.

People are really underestimating how good Quinn is.

easily NJ management will likely do that. Van says No though

 

[absolute garbage]

It's an interesting idea. Trading Hughes would be risky because the likelihood of getting a player as good as him is not great. But if you can get a big package with some high end pieces, like the 2nd overall, it could be doable if Canucks want to shed cap and change up the team.

You can make the argument that they are going to be stuck with OEL no matter what, and Rathbone and Smith could replace Hughes to some extent. Throw Severson in the deal and your blueline has some depth now, in addition to the #2 pick.

But I don't know what direction Canucks should go here. They are in a bad spot. Horrid prospect pool, and the roster is not winning anything (+ couple key guys are UFAs next summer). If they go for rebuild and restart the timeline so to speak, trading Hughes could be an option.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

It's me who will be laughing in the next few years;

Look objectively at your team. Even with all of its best players at their peak, no playoffs.

J.T Miller wants to leave, Pettersson and Q.Hughes did not sign easily last year, Boeser drops and above all no reinforcements to come from the prospect pool.

Two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks were burned for no result.

There will be no miracle next year. Calgary and Edmonton are out of reach for Vancouver. Californian teams are on the rise, especially LA and Anaheim. Seattle can only improve and Vegas will remain a better team than Vancouver.

Please watch a Canucks game in your life. Cheers.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Using the Seth Jones template (which was largely commented as an overpayment), then adding Zacha (due to Vancouver's rumored interest):

To NJ: Quinn Hughes
To Van: 1st Round Pick 2022 (2nd overall), 2nd Round Pick 2022, 1st Round Pick 2023 (unprotected), Ty Smith, Pavel Zacha

 

[TBF1972]

Using the Seth Jones template (which was largely commented as an overpayment), then adding Zacha (due to Vancouver's rumored interest):

To NJ: Quinn Hughes
To Van: 1st Round Pick 2022 (2nd overall), 2nd Round Pick 2022, 1st Round Pick 2023 (unprotected), Ty Smith, Pavel Zacha

stop it

vancouver doesn't want to trade quinn hughes and the devils shouldn't care about collecting brothers. lhd is not a position of need. it doesn't make sense to invest so many assets to add to:

siegenthaler
graves
smith (ok, you send him out with this proposal)
okhotyuk
bahl
vukojevic
mukhamadullin
l.hughes
and a few lesser prospects

except vukojevic all have a realistic chance to nhl regulars. if there is one position, where the devils should sell from to improve its weakness in goal and in the rhd pipeline.

 

[StevensRocks]

Devils will wait for Quinn to make FA....

As that time nears, Quinn's trade value will plunge...

 

[Paddys Pub]

The only player NJ has that the Canucks would consider in a Quinn trade, would be Jack Hughes.
This thread is Gilbert Grapes

 

[StevensRocks]

The only player NJ has that the Canucks would consider in a Quinn trade, would be Jack Hughes.
This thread is Gilbert Grapes

Until Luke is up, and Quinn gripes…

Prices will only decline, and by a lot

 

[HuGort]

And we throw in the 15th? Nice...

Would you move Hughes and 15th for 1st overall?

 

[Hisch13r]

Vancouver laughs you off the line. Quinn is worth considerably more than this 2OA