Proposal: Quinn Hughes to Buffalo at the draft

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Take the first out, take J Quinn out, replace Power with Dahlin (who'll eventually want out), replace Hughes with EP40, buy me some McDonalds, and have Vancouver add a prospect. I think that's a deal that makes more sense.
 
Assuming Buffalo doesn’t get 1OA in the lottery and the pick is 2-4 range.

To Vancouver
Buffalo 1st rounder 2025
Owen Power or Bowen Byrum
Jack Quinn

To Buffalo
Quinn Hughes

If Vancouver is getting skittish about Hughes not re-signing this is the time to cash in.

I'd still do it if it were #1 overall
 
Buffalo (& Colorado) is one of the last teams to need a Quinn Hughes. Buffalo needs everything else.
Trading a Quinn Hughes is the last thing Vancouver wants to do, hes their captain and it seems he gets a say in personnel acquisition decisions.
Buffalo is probably the last place Quinn wants to be, dude said many times he wants to win. He 100% wont resign there.
 
Honestly I think without Quinn the Nucks would be in the same position as Buffalo so the two are not very comparable.

Makar/Hughes


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TBH this seems like pretty close value if they're going to trade Hughes, not that they will. I'd add another higher end prospect from Buffalo, like Helenius. 2nd overall + Byram + Quinn +Helenius is pretty phenomenal value tbh.
 
Hughes for Dahlin straight up would be a better discussion. Buffalo would be dumb to have both on their team unless they beleive Dahlin can be a defensive shutdown guy because Quinn is a PP specialist at best who needs sheltered O zone starts to be productive.

So sure Dahlin for Hughes. Id argue Dahlin is more valuable now because of his term. Hughes will get a huge raise in 3 years and may tell either team he is testing UFA unless you give him $15M. So give me Dahlin at $11M all day then.
 
“Pittsburgh sent a 2024 first-round pick, forward Mikael Granlund and defenseman Jan Rutta to San Jose and goaltender Casey DeSmith, defenseman Jeff Petry, a 2025 second-round pick and prospect Nathan Legare to Montreal as part of the deal for the three-time Norris Trophy winner Erik Karlsson”

This was ~ a year and a half ago.

this is the dumbest response i could have expected. remarkable.
 
I'd then turn around and probably move Hughes for a #1 Center and chuckle as I ask myself why didn't Vancouver do this.
Who?

Eichel, Point, Stutzle, Aho, Barkov?

The true #1 centers that could be had for Hughes is extremely limited, especially without a long term deal.
 
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I feel like acquiring Quinn Hughes will hurt the Sabres more than help with the pieces that would have to go the other way.
 
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this is the dumbest response i could have expected. remarkable.
Is it? He asked when was the last time a D that just won the Norris was traded the same year and it was literally two and a half years ago when Karlsson had a 101 points season at 31 years old.

I simply copy & paste the return. Dumb question & factually correct answer.
 
(Before I get into this, I like using Byron Baders hockey prospecting when looking at prospects because I fully believe that forwards would put up a lot of points in their respective league also taking into account former players is one of the best ways to predict NHL talent. I believe in the eye test too so don't get on me too much.)

Alright, so lets dissect this entire hypothetical.

Erik Karlsson was really the last true player of this caliber to be traded and at the time of the trade he was 28 y/o which I would still say was his prime.

Ottawa recieved:
Unsigned rights to Josh Norris (Had 19 points in 17 NCAA games, which at the time would be considered pretty underwhelming)
Dylan DeMelo (Who at the time was very mid and was not the player we know today)
Chris Tierney (Was 24 y/o at the time, but still a 40 point player)
Rudolfs Balcers (Imo the best piece at the time had a good 20 year old season in the AHL)
Tim Stutzle (Was the first round draft pick in this trade, this was completely unpredictable, so I really don't want to include him, but that's what they got)
Mads Sogaard (2nd round draft pick, has not looked good in the NHL)
Zack Ostapchuk (2nd round draft pick, Has 86 hits but does not look good at anything else, funnily enough he was traded to San Jose)


Now, after looking at the return Karlsson got I would say that something similar for Hughes is realistic, but probably even more because he has put up generational numbers. I think people on HFboards and PuckGM create terrible trade scenarios by acting like teams will trade 5 players for another teams 5 players (has happened before, but not entirely common or realistic).

The best return for a player in my opinion was the Rantanen trade. He returned an A+ prospect who is currently in the NHL, two first round picks, and two third round picks. I think something similar is fair for Hughes.

Hypothetical from Buffalo if using futures and Vancouver wants a full rebuild:
Zach Benson
Mattias Samuelsson (Replace with Kulich, but I believe that Vancouver would want a LD, Samuelsson plays the hardest minutes amonst defenseman on the Sabres)
2025 First Round Pick
2026 First Round Pick
2027 Second Round Pick


This is somewhat similar to the Rantanen return except the Hurricanes got a much older prospect in Stankoven. The thing with Benson is he could take a huge leap since he's only 19, so honestly this is probably too much. The thing is you're getting back a guy who is putting up some of the best offensive numbers and playdriving results and also playing one of the best defensive games. People don't know this but Hughes has developed a defensive game over the last couple of years compared to Makar who hasn't shown any massive upgrade.

If Vancouver doesnt want futures:
Tage Thompson (Assuming Tage is a consistent 80 point player and not 100 point player)
Owen Power
2027 Second Round Pick


I mean you really have to think about it this way. Buffalo is getting a guy that they could pair with Rasmus Dahlin. This would be one of the greatest pairs in NHL history. Think of it as a modern day Ray Bourque and Rob Blake pairing. I don't see why Buffalo would do Dahlin for Hughes one for one.
This is @#$king nuts...
 
(Before I get into this, I like using Byron Baders hockey prospecting when looking at prospects because I fully believe that forwards would put up a lot of points in their respective league also taking into account former players is one of the best ways to predict NHL talent. I believe in the eye test too so don't get on me too much.)

Alright, so lets dissect this entire hypothetical.

Erik Karlsson was really the last true player of this caliber to be traded and at the time of the trade he was 28 y/o which I would still say was his prime.

Ottawa recieved:
Unsigned rights to Josh Norris (Had 19 points in 17 NCAA games, which at the time would be considered pretty underwhelming)
Dylan DeMelo (Who at the time was very mid and was not the player we know today)
Chris Tierney (Was 24 y/o at the time, but still a 40 point player)
Rudolfs Balcers (Imo the best piece at the time had a good 20 year old season in the AHL)
Tim Stutzle (Was the first round draft pick in this trade, this was completely unpredictable, so I really don't want to include him, but that's what they got)
Mads Sogaard (2nd round draft pick, has not looked good in the NHL)
Zack Ostapchuk (2nd round draft pick, Has 86 hits but does not look good at anything else, funnily enough he was traded to San Jose)


Now, after looking at the return Karlsson got I would say that something similar for Hughes is realistic, but probably even more because he has put up generational numbers. I think people on HFboards and PuckGM create terrible trade scenarios by acting like teams will trade 5 players for another teams 5 players (has happened before, but not entirely common or realistic).

The best return for a player in my opinion was the Rantanen trade. He returned an A+ prospect who is currently in the NHL, two first round picks, and two third round picks. I think something similar is fair for Hughes.

Hypothetical from Buffalo if using futures and Vancouver wants a full rebuild:
Zach Benson
Mattias Samuelsson (Replace with Kulich, but I believe that Vancouver would want a LD, Samuelsson plays the hardest minutes amonst defenseman on the Sabres)
2025 First Round Pick
2026 First Round Pick
2027 Second Round Pick


This is somewhat similar to the Rantanen return except the Hurricanes got a much older prospect in Stankoven. The thing with Benson is he could take a huge leap since he's only 19, so honestly this is probably too much. The thing is you're getting back a guy who is putting up some of the best offensive numbers and playdriving results and also playing one of the best defensive games. People don't know this but Hughes has developed a defensive game over the last couple of years compared to Makar who hasn't sh7own any massive upgrade.

If Vancouver doesnt want futures:
Tage Thompson (Assuming Tage is a consistent 80 point player and not 100 point player)
Owen Power
2027 Second Round Pick


I mean you really have to think about it this way. Buffalo is getting a guy that they could pair with Rasmus Dahlin. This would be one of the greatest pairs in NHL history. Think of it as a modern day Ray Bourque and Rob Blake pairing. I don't see why Buffalo would do Dahlin for Hughes one for one.
So many words, when all that's necessary is "neither team does it." No reason to debate actual values which are off big time.
 
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Buffalo (& Colorado) is one of the last teams to need a Quinn Hughes. Buffalo needs everything else.
Trading a Quinn Hughes is the last thing Vancouver wants to do, hes their captain and it seems he gets a say in personnel acquisition decisions.
Buffalo is probably the last place Quinn wants to be, dude said many times he wants to win. He 100% wont resign there.
Colorado? Why? I think you are way off there. Colorado probably needs Quinn the least out of every team in the NHL.
 
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Colorado? Why? I think you are way off there. Colorado probably needs Quinn the least out of every team in the NHL.
You misread my point, Buffalo has dahlin, Colorado has Makar, they are both elite 1D, they don't NEED a Quinn Hughes. Everyone else will want to trade for Hughes.
 
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