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Quinn Hughes is having a Hart caliber season

avsfan9 said:
Yes without Hughes in the lineup. Their goalies have been the mvp’s.
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Yea that .895 team save percentage is killing it.

Lankinen has been mostly good, but Demko and Silovs were terrible until Demko’s last couple games. Goaltending has been a big reason they’ve been winning without Hughes, but it hasn’t been consistent or close to as valuable as Hughes overall on the year, and they’ve lost a fair amount of games due to poor goaltending.
 
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Regal said:
Yea that .895 team save percentage is killing it.

Lankinen has been mostly good, but Demko and Silovs were terrible until Demko’s last couple games. Goaltending has been a big reason they’ve been winning without Hughes, but it hasn’t been consistent or close to as valuable as Hughes overall on the year, and they’ve lost a fair amount of games due to poor goaltending.
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Yes not saying that, Hughes has been great but they’ve won a lot of games on the backs of some great goalie performances
 
yeaher said:
Quinn Hughes is the captain of his team, and it is falling apart from within. Major, major downvotes for that.
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Did you watch the NHL Faceoff documentary? He's extremely soft spoken, no idea who thought he'd make a good captain. However, the Hart vote has nothing to do with intangibles, he's just so much better at hockey than anyone else on that team.

Raistlin said:
Say it after me.

Hughes is one of the two best defensemen this year.

There should be no debate to this statement.
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You're selling Werenski short
 
Canucks fans should be excited to see the rise of nonsense narratives used against their team and players

It means good things are ahead
 
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Ncit3 said:
This is a long ass post for not having read the actual TOI post I had on the next page showing that the TOI against Edmonton this year Hughes has been on the ice mostly with Edmonton’s 3rd line while Makar (and after checking Werenski too) have been on primarily against McDavid and Draisaitl.

I get you’re trying to say that Colorado can match Edmonton’s firepower. But that doesn’t explain why someone touted as defensively spectacularly good on defense as Hughes isn’t being sent out in that contain package against McDavid or Drai.

It’s considerably the same against all top players in the league. There is a reason Colorado dismantled Edmonton in their cap run and it was Makar’s ability to defensively shut down top players in this league. I’m not saying Hughes is bad or anything. But maybe we can turn down the Hart talk a bit.
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There was a number of things being said. I was bringing up TOI because the charts being shown was kind of a general usage display that didn't take that into account, and words like "sheltered" were being thrown around. Sheltered is for your bottom pairing guys that you worry who their out against and limit their ice time. Suggesting anything like that for a guy playing 25+ minutes a game is absurd, and if there's discrepancies with 2nd pairing guys against other teams top lines that's just a matter of team makeup and strategy.

Like theoretically, if you could swap handedness and switch Hughes/Makar on the Avs/Canucks, do you really think deployment against McDavid in this case would change for either teams? That the Avs coach would go 'McDavid is on the ice and we only have Toews-Hughes now, better send out Girard-Manson'?
 
RandV said:
There was a number of things being said. I was bringing up TOI because the charts being shown was kind of a general usage display that didn't take that into account, and words like "sheltered" were being thrown around. Sheltered is for your bottom pairing guys that you worry who their out against and limit their ice time. Suggesting anything like that for a guy playing 25+ minutes a game is absurd, and if there's discrepancies with 2nd pairing guys against other teams top lines that's just a matter of team makeup and strategy.

Like theoretically, if you could swap handedness and switch Hughes/Makar on the Avs/Canucks, do you really think deployment against McDavid in this case would change for either teams? That the Avs coach would go 'McDavid is on the ice and we only have Toews-Hughes now, better send out Girard-Manson'?
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Not sure what you are saying. When you play 25 min and only 9 are against McDavid or Draisaitl, that looks like sheltered.
 
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Timeless Winter said:
Try again. Elite defenseman kill penalties.
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Once again, why would anyone want to waste a guy who plays like Hughes to eat shots and risk injury when any old defenseman can do it? Especially adding to the fact that he already has pre-existing injuries that could be aggravated?
Also, I saw Makar's PK numbers. Ouch. Just being thrown out there doesn't mean he's actually performing. Can't comment on Werenski, although no denying he's been incredible all year and definitely in the running.
 
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Raistlin said:
Say it after me.

Hughes is one of the two best defensemen this year.

There should be no debate to this statement.
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Hughes and Bouchard are two hybrid offensive only players who line up behind three forwards. We dont have another name for this position so we default to "defenseman", but very little to no defense is actually played by these players. Is there value in them? Absolutely, but to claim they are elite at actual defense is insulting to their peers who are killing penalties and take the tough matchups sacrificing their offensive numbers for the betterment of the team.
 
nucksflailtogether said:
Once again, why would anyone want to waste a guy who plays like Hughes to eat shots and risk injury when any old defenseman can do it? Especially adding to the fact that he already has pre-existing injuries that could be aggravated?
Also, I saw Makar's PK numbers. Ouch. Just being thrown out there doesn't mean he's actually performing. Can't comment on Werenski, although no denying he's been incredible all year and definitely in the running.
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That’s how you learn to play on the pk. You may not be great right away but you will become good at it. All the goats played on the pk. Bourque, Pronger, Lidstrom, Orr…. Etc
Also Makars numbers have increased since wh have a competent goalie.
 
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