Question to hardcore soccer fans

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I have been getting more and more into soccer over the years. From the World cup and now playing FPL.

So I was wondering, what is the thrill for promoted teams , from the championship to the premier league in English football for example ? Southhampton got promoted last year and basically became a punching bag for the rest of the premier league for a whole season only to be demoted again. What was the point ? Do fans think there's always a small possibility that an sheik from Saudi Arabia will show up with blank checks to sign players and make the team the next City ?

And anyone outside the big 6, is there always a dream that you might become the next Leicester circa 2016 ? In an alternative universe, Forest could have been that team this year.

Honest questions.
 
The point is to survive and establish yourself from there, so that fans can enjoy watching their team in the first division and perhaps, europe.

What is the point of rooting for a club that can just buy success?
 
The point is to survive and establish yourself from there, so that fans can enjoy watching their team in the first division and perhaps, europe.

What is the point of rooting for a club that can just buy success?
But why is it always the same teams that are "buying" success ? There's other teams with long storied histories. Why hasn't the big money got behind Leeds for example.
 
The answer is, what is the alternative? Hope your team doesn't qualify for promotion, in fear they get embarrassed? Where do we draw the line, most of the 3rd / 4th place teams dont have a chance at a CL and wind up as fodder for big teams in the CL.

Fandom isnt predicated on sound reasoning.
 
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For one thing, this year has been an exception in how completely out of their depth the promoted teams have been. On the other hand a team like Nottingham Forest, who has a very good chance to secure a Champions League berth this year, was only promoted in 2022. Villa, who is now playing in the CL and could still easily qualify again, only made it back in to the Premier League in 2019. Bournemouth, who is right below them, in 2015. Fulham, right below them, had some up and down but most recently came back in 2022. Brentford was promoted in 2021 and are a feared opponent that can go toe-to-toe with any team in the league, even if their mid-table position may not look impressive at first glance. All those teams well above established names like Man Utd or Tottenham. Yes, actually winning a title is another matter, but that's true for "big 6" as well, until this year for anyone not named Manchester City
 
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Doesn’t Bayern have the most championship win to season ratio than any giant in any of the big leagues?

EPL fanboys just can't help trying to change the topic lol. Bayern's been annoyingly successful and that's created a financial advantage that may never be broken, but they're not a sugar-daddy club that was artificially inflated by an investor...like Leipzig, Hoffenheim, or Hannover...and even if they had been, that would have nothing to do with why nobody is investing in Leeds.

Either way, we want our teams to be successful because it's more fun watching your team play better football against better opponents. You're going to be watching the games every weekend either way, and BuLi2 has its charms, but the football is much more english :-/ So it's much more enjoyable to fight for your life in the first division...with intermittent pushes for europe...than to be one of the top sides in that kick-n-run league.
 
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I have been getting more and more into soccer over the years. From the World cup and now playing FPL.

So I was wondering, what is the thrill for promoted teams , from the championship to the premier league in English football for example ? Southhampton got promoted last year and basically became a punching bag for the rest of the premier league for a whole season only to be demoted again. What was the point ? Do fans think there's always a small possibility that an sheik from Saudi Arabia will show up with blank checks to sign players and make the team the next City ?

And anyone outside the big 6, is there always a dream that you might become the next Leicester circa 2016 ? In an alternative universe, Forest could have been that team this year.

Honest questions.

You chose the wrong league as an example, where even the last in the standings takes more money than those who go to the Champions League in other leagues.
 
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I have been getting more and more into soccer over the years. From the World cup and now playing FPL.

So I was wondering, what is the thrill for promoted teams , from the championship to the premier league in English football for example ? Southhampton got promoted last year and basically became a punching bag for the rest of the premier league for a whole season only to be demoted again. What was the point ? Do fans think there's always a small possibility that an sheik from Saudi Arabia will show up with blank checks to sign players and make the team the next City ?

And anyone outside the big 6, is there always a dream that you might become the next Leicester circa 2016 ? In an alternative universe, Forest could have been that team this year.

Honest questions.
Fighting to stay in the top flight is like watching your NHL team in game 7 week in and week out. It's stressful, exhausting, and if you end up winning extremely rewarding.

Brighton for instance spent most of my life bouncing between League Two and the Championship. They finally get promoted to the Prem and needed to fight to stay up for a couple years. During that time they built the squad slowly and have turned themselves into a premier league regular that gets to fight for European placement.
 
EPL fanboys just can't help trying to change the topic lol. Bayern's been annoyingly successful and that's created a financial advantage that may never be broken, but they're not a sugar-daddy club that was artificially inflated by an investor...like Leipzig, Hoffenheim, or Hannover...and even if they had been, that would have nothing to do with why nobody is investing in Leeds.

Either way, we want our teams to be successful because it's more fun watching your team play better football against better opponents. You're going to be watching the games every weekend either way, and BuLi2 has its charms, but the football is much more english :-/ So it's much more enjoyable to fight for your life in the first division...with intermittent pushes for europe...than to be one of the top sides in that kick-n-run league.
I interpreted a part of the query as something that fans more accustomed to the North American sports league generally have difficulty with when conparing to the Euro soccer leagues - it’s only a handful of teams who can build a team capable of contending for a title, and how those teams never change.

If you look at the NHL right now, San Jose and Chicago are bottom of the barrel, but theoretically, and historically in practice, can be competitive in the future. Amy team can eventually contend. In Soccer, a Burnley fan, for example, knows that barring a miracle, it’s never going to happen.
 
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Does repeating that phrase make epl fans feel better about the gross incompetence of their own league?

Is the thinking ‘sure our league is unaffordable to attend despite not employing a single competent ref, understanding how to implement var, taking 5 years to make changes other leagues do in 1, there being 4 well coached teams out of 20 at a time (if that many), the football being boring, and the atmosphere at matches is stale…but at least Manchester only wins 95% of the titles, not 97%!”
 
I interpreted a part of the query as something that fans more accustomed to the North American sports league generally have difficulty with when conparing to the Euro soccer leagues - it’s only a handful of teams who can build a team capable of contending for a title, and how those teams never change.

If you look at the NHL right now, San Jose and Chicago are bottom of the barrel, but theoretically, and historically in practice, can be competitive in the future. Amy team can eventually contend. In Soccer, a Burnley fan, for example, knows that barring a miracle, it’s never going to happen.

Well if you’re going to have your own conversation, why did you quote me?
 
Well if you’re going to have your own conversation, why did you quote me?
It pertains to the OP basically inferring that unless something like a the influx of investment from a multi billionaire occurs, it’s always the same teams winning and same teams with no prayer in winning and asking what is even the point of being a fan of minnow.
 
Does repeating that phrase make epl fans feel better about the gross incompetence of their own league?

Is the thinking ‘sure our league is unaffordable to attend despite not employing a single competent ref, understanding how to implement var, taking 5 years to make changes other leagues do in 1, there being 4 well coached teams out of 20 at a time (if that many), the football being boring, and the atmosphere at matches is stale…but at least Manchester only wins 95% of the titles, not 97%!”
Respect the best leauge in the world
 
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For one thing, this year has been an exception in how completely out of their depth the promoted teams have been. On the other hand a team like Nottingham Forest, who has a very good chance to secure a Champions League berth this year, was only promoted in 2022. Villa, who is now playing in the CL and could still easily qualify again, only made it back in to the Premier League in 2019. Bournemouth, who is right below them, in 2015. Fulham, right below them, had some up and down but most recently came back in 2022. Brentford was promoted in 2021 and are a feared opponent that can go toe-to-toe with any team in the league, even if their mid-table position may not look impressive at first glance. All those teams well above established names like Man Utd or Tottenham. Yes, actually winning a title is another matter, but that's true for "big 6" as well, until this year for anyone not named Manchester City
That does put it into perspective , thanks. I assumed Villa was a staple in the prem because in knew of them from years ago.

So there is move movement up and down the table than this year would indicate.

It does make it more interesting to have new names in and out of the league. It will be interesting to see what Leeds and Burnley do next year.
 
The answer is, what is the alternative? Hope your team doesn't qualify for promotion, in fear they get embarrassed? Where do we draw the line, most of the 3rd / 4th place teams dont have a chance at a CL and wind up as fodder for big teams in the CL.

Fandom isnt predicated on sound reasoning.
Yeah it's kinda like F1 I guess. Getting 10th place as a modern day Williams fan is like a win. And slowly but surely the team is getting better with investment and a win wouldn't be out of the question in 3-5 years.

Or being a Canucks fan. 40 years old , no championships. Zero indication that the next 40 will be any different than the last 40. No matter how fair things are made in human endeavours , domination always exists.
 
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I interpreted a part of the query as something that fans more accustomed to the North American sports league generally have difficulty with when conparing to the Euro soccer leagues - it’s only a handful of teams who can build a team capable of contending for a title, and how those teams never change.

If you look at the NHL right now, San Jose and Chicago are bottom of the barrel, but theoretically, and historically in practice, can be competitive in the future. Amy team can eventually contend. In Soccer, a Burnley fan, for example, knows that barring a miracle, it’s never going to happen.
I cant think of a better word but N.American sports are far more socialist than Euro sports. Euro sports are full on cut throat.

The revenue sharing in the NHL is kinda BS. Teams like the Leafs , Canucks or Canadians should have some financial advantage over say , the Carolina Hurricanes. Instead of subsidizing them to beat you year in year out. Revenue can be shared but it should be a sliding scale.
 
Yeah it's kinda like F1 I guess. Getting 10th place as a modern day Williams fan is like a win. And slowly but surely the team is getting better with investment and a win wouldn't be out of the question in 3-5 years.

Or being a Canucks fan. 40 years old , no championships. Zero indication that the next 40 will be any different than the last 40.
So.... every team should win the championship?
It's a bit of a life lesson here.... there are winners.... and there are..... lo........sers.
Not everyone no matter how hard you try will ever be successful... Where is Ray at? Just the way she goes...
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So.... every team should win the championship?
It's a bit of a life lesson here.... there are winners.... and there are..... lo........sers.
Not everyone no matter how hard you try will ever be successful... Where is Ray at? Just the way she goes...
'Em no. But it just it just seems like a tough slog. Crystal Palace has been around since 1861 and has no top league titles. Or even FA or EFL cups.
 

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