GDT: Quarter Finals: Canada vs Czechia; Jan. 2, 2025; 19:30 EST

[jj cale]

It's comforting to know that all the other teams here with fans that are now having their fun jaw jacking are going to lose and flame out miserably at some tournament in the future., some in the next 2 games.

Hopefully they won't get too miffed when the piling on begins.

 

[bigdog16]

As a Canadian who was rooting for Czechia because this team is just completely unlikable, top to bottom, this is a comment that makes no sense to me.

Who are fans supposed to blame, exactly? lol The refs were bad, but I don't think that's the reason Canada lost. IIHF reffing Is usually bad. Anyone who has ever watched an IIHF event knows this, including every player on the team who grew up watching this tournament. They should know better, especially since they had already been burned several times earlier in the tournament with undisciplined, bone headed plays.

Which leads me to my next point - the players. Not only were they incredibly stupid and bone headed in the discipline department, they were completely inept in terms of actually playing up to their skill level. Yes, Canada didn't field their best roster and Hockey Canada's poor decisions usually have detrimental consequences on the outcome for the team, but even with a poor roster, Canada should not be losing to Latvia, under any circumstance. They scored two more goals than Kazakhstan in the round robin. Do you really think that Kazakhstan has caught up to Canada in terms of developing forwards in ice hockey?

Lastly, the coaching. It was atrocious. Dave Cameron is one of the worst coaches in junior hockey and the reasons why were on full display throughout the tournament. Very stubborn and slow to make changes. The PP was atrociously bad from day one (even during the pre-tournament) and it took him halfway through the round robin to make any sort of personal change. Yes, that's only two games where the results count, but this is a 7 game tournament, not an 82 game NHL season. You have to make changes quickly if the results aren't there. His deployment of players, like playing Bonk on as a PPQB, which isn't a role he does for his regular junior team, is completely baffling. Not giving McKenna enough ice time, even though was one of the few forwards generating any sort of offensive output when he was on the ice. His complete lack of emotion behind the bench. His refusal to bench players who refused to stop taking dumb penalties. I could go on and on, but you get the point. Cameron sucks.

So yes, the refs were bad, the players performed poorly and the coaching was atrocious. Combine the three and this is the result you get. It's absolutely true that other countries are catching up. No sane person would ever deny this. And that's a good thing. Makes the tournament more intense and interesting. But to pretend like this team and result is indicative of where Canada stands currently in terms of player development as a nation is laughable.

1. The refs were bad because the calls weren't in Canada's favor. No one would be saying a word about this if the calls were in Canada's favor. Blaming the refs is an embarrassing scapegoat. Canada should have been schooled on IIHF rules prior to the tournament, I don't know what to tell you. But no other team is having issues with it.

2. So, was the reffing bad or was Canada taking dumb penalties? You just contradicted yourself. Other than that, I agree the players never seemed to learn or adapt, zero chemistry, zero accountability. This team was stock full of ego.

3. Its such a short tournament that coaching means so little. I think the only boneheaded decision he made was the cancelling of practices. You can make all the changes in the world and this Canada team wasn't going to win. Top to bottom, there was not one player who looked remotely good for Canada. McKenna looked like a deer in headlights on Czech's 3rd goal.

Other countries are catching up and its hard for a majority of people here to accept that. USA beats this Canada team 8/10 times, what does that tell you

 

[Reality Czech]

It's comforting to know that all the other teams here with fans that are now having their fun jaw jacking are going to lose and flame out miserably at some tournament in the future., some in the next 2 games.

Hopefully they won't get too miffed when the piling on begins.

There ya go, taking the high road is overrated lol

Why do some Canadians act entitled as if they are supposed to win every single hockey tournament? People pile on because of attitudes like yours.

 

[Czechboy]

Tsn guys sounded a lot like hfposters. And I liked the panel. Even the 'they celebrate so hard after beating us comment'. I expected that on hf... not tsn. We eliminated Canada in Canada. No asterisk about last year being in Europe. No one else has ever done this.. ever. Damn right we are celebrating. Those players entire lives are littered with Canada thrashing us 7 zip here. One QF loss after another.

Also, what is up with recording the winners locker room from outside the doors and reporting what they are listening to?lol. I remember the intense reports of the Russians getting drunk after winning gold too.lol. no shit they got drunk after that comeback.lol

 

[Czechboy]

It's comforting to know that all the other teams here with fans that are now having their fun jaw jacking are going to lose and flame out miserably at some tournament in the future., some in the next 2 games.

Hopefully they won't get too miffed when the piling on begins.

I'm ready for the piling on but I picked usa to win next game.lol

 

[Czechboy]

1. The refs were bad because the calls weren't in Canada's favor. No one would be saying a word about this if the calls were in Canada's favor. Blaming the refs is an embarrassing scapegoat. Canada should have been schooled on IIHF rules prior to the tournament, I don't know what to tell you. But no other team is having issues with it.

2. So, was the reffing bad or was Canada taking dumb penalties? You just contradicted yourself. Other than that, I agree the players never seemed to learn or adapt, zero chemistry, zero accountability. This team was stock full of ego.

3. Its such a short tournament that coaching means so little. I think the only boneheaded decision he made was the cancelling of practices. You can make all the changes in the world and this Canada team wasn't going to win. Top to bottom, there was not one player who looked remotely good for Canada. McKenna looked like a deer in headlights on Czech's 3rd goal.

Other countries are catching up and its hard for a majority of people here to accept that. USA beats this Canada team 8/10 times, what does that tell you

For me.. this was on management. Canada could've sent a juggernaut but didn't. No idea why. Then they didn't practice. If the czechs made a Dave Cameron stamp to commemorate this.. I would buy the stamp.

I don't think Canada is in trouble at all. I think they are killing it in the draft. Celebrities and Bedard are in this age group. But I think the management tucked this uo from the start. That and the Schaefer injury.

The good news is that there will be no our b team could win this thread.. I hate those.lol

 

[TonsofPuppies]

1. The refs were bad because the calls weren't in Canada's favor. No one would be saying a word about this if the calls were in Canada's favor. Blaming the refs is an embarrassing scapegoat. Canada should have been schooled on IIHF rules prior to the tournament, I don't know what to tell you. But no other team is having issues with it.

2. So, was the reffing bad or was Canada taking dumb penalties? You just contradicted yourself. Other than that, I agree the players never seemed to learn or adapt, zero chemistry, zero accountability. This team was stock full of ego.

3. Its such a short tournament that coaching means so little. I think the only boneheaded decision he made was the cancelling of practices. You can make all the changes in the world and this Canada team wasn't going to win. Top to bottom, there was not one player who looked remotely good for Canada. McKenna looked like a deer in headlights on Czech's 3rd goal.

Other countries are catching up and its hard for a majority of people here to accept that. USA beats this Canada team 8/10 times, what does that tell you

1 / 2. The 5 minute penalty in the 1st was not worthy of 5. The second kneeing penalty arguably wasn't even a penalty. The refs can simultaneously be bad and the team can be stupid. They are not mutually exclusive. If you know the refs are going to be incompetent, you should be doing everything in your power not to put yourself at risk of a bad call. Of course, not all of the calls were bad. In the USA game, I thought pretty much all (except for maybe 1) of Canada's penalties were justified. The refs were bad tonight, even Bobby Mac on TSN called them out. And Bobby Mac always plays devil's advocate against Canada.

3. Coaching doesn't matter in a short tournament? Lmao, this is one of the stupidest things I've read on these boards and that's saying something. I would say it's actually the opposite. You coach needs to be proactive and make quick adjustments in such a short tournament, which Cameron refused to do.

Lastly, regarding the USA, I think winning 6/8 games against Canada in the last little while is a small sample size to make any definitive judgements. The USA is pretty close to Canada's equal and over a larger sample size, I would expect a roughly 50/50 split. If Canada wins the 4 Nations Cup or whatever it's called next month, will that mean that USA is vastly inferior to Canada? No. Both nations are very close. If you think USA winning 75% of their matches against Canada is going to be the trend going forward, you might be disappointed.

 

[jj cale]

There ya go, taking the high road is overrated lol

Why do some Canadians act entitled as if they are supposed to win every single hockey tournament? People pile on because of attitudes like yours.

What attitude would that be? Because it certainly isn't entitlement on my part,

like I said...don't get too upset. I don't want to hear any moaning and crying when that goes down...........and of course it's going to go down sooner or later.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Czechia is Canada's kryptonite.

Sweden is also Czechia's kryptonite.

 

[jj cale]

I'm ready for the piling on but I picked usa to win next game.lol

LOL,.

 

[Channelcat]

I feel like you could have had a similar result with no coach or one of the players doing double duty as player coach. 2 years in a row the bench boss seemed in over his head.

There's lots of unemployed or "washed up " pro coaches who could have done the job. Why not bring in Boudrou or Gallant etc.

 

[NyQuil]

It's comforting to know that all the other teams here with fans that are now having their fun jaw jacking are going to lose and flame out miserably at some tournament in the future., some in the next 2 games.

Hopefully they won't get too miffed when the piling on begins.

Take it as a compliment.

Thats how you know you’re the big dog.

Try again next year. Hopefully we learn from the experience.

 

[jj cale]

Take it as a compliment.

Thats how you know you’re the big dog.

Try again next year. Hopefully we learn from the experience.

If they don't learn from this they are hopeless as an organization.

 

[Blender]

Every single NHL game I have watched over the last few years has had worse officiating than this game last night. I don't even think the officiating was that bad, the rules in the IIHF are different and there's a lot of ignorance about those differences. Even the TSN panel said things that are objectively wrong based on the IIHF rules because they are framing everything through an NHL lens, and it's pathetic for them to mislead Canadians like this.

We lost because this was a poorly constructed team with a terrible coach. The team was constructed with a specific system in mind and to play "hard", and they never practiced enough to ever get that system in place (too exhausted according to Cameron last night) and their "hard" play was laughably undisciplined.

If Hockey Canada walks away from this getting to blame officiating, they will be let off the hook for the incompetent and corrupt organization they are, and nothing will change.

 

[Hanji]

What attitude would that be? Because it certainly isn't entitlement on my part,

like I said...don't get too upset. I don't want to hear any moaning and crying when that goes down...........and of course it's going to go down sooner or later.

Nobody’s talking about you specifically, just Canadian fans in general.

How many Canadians in this thread are congratulating the Czechs? Very very few.

How many are finding excuses for the loss (coach, penalties, player selection, etc)? This thread is permiating with it. Even TSN is full of it.
Perhaps Canada loses not because of what you didn’t do, but because of what the opponent does.
But, no, that’s never it.

This thread is quite indicative of the self-centered, entitled and unsportsmanlike behavior many dislike about Canadian Hockey, and why many revel in a Canada loss.

 

[jj cale]

Nobody’s talking about you specifically, just Canadian fans in general.

How many Canadians in this thread are congratulating the Czechs? Very very few.

How many are finding excuses for the loss (coach, penalties, player selection, etc)? This thread is permiating with it. Even TSN is full of it.
Perhaps Canada loses not because of what you didn’t do, but because of what the opponent does. No, that can’t it.

This is the is unsportsmanlike behavior many dislike about Canadian Hockey, and why many revel in a Canada loss.

There are fans from every country that do this and you know it hanji, please.

You can't have been a regular poster of this board for as long as you have and not know that. You make it sound like being pissy after a loss, ref complaining, and bitching about roster selection and coaching is some specific Canadian fan disease.

You know better man.

 

[lakai17]

I don't blame the refs. Variables of the game. Canada had some momentum but it was ultimately too late.

The Czechs deserve more props though. They battled the first 2 periods and their goaltending and defence were solid throughout the game.

 

[hockey20000]

Tsn guys sounded a lot like hfposters. And I liked the panel. Even the 'they celebrate so hard after beating us comment'. I expected that on hf... not tsn. We eliminated Canada in Canada. No asterisk about last year being in Europe. No one else has ever done this.. ever. Damn right we are celebrating. Those players entire lives are littered with Canada thrashing us 7 zip here. One QF loss after another.

Also, what is up with recording the winners locker room from outside the doors and reporting what they are listening to?lol. I remember the intense reports of the Russians getting drunk after winning gold too.lol. no shit they got drunk after that comeback.lol

yea enjoy your 4th place finish bud

 

[DeeQ]

I don't get the Canadian coach. So he said the players were too exhausted to practise? Exhausted from what? Those kids play, practise and travel way more all season long. And they had the home advantage. Weird thing to say.

 

[barry halls]

I worry we're starting to bear the fruits of dwindling interest in hockey in our country and that we're at the tail-end of Canada's hockey excellence.

Kids in Canada increasingly don't care about hockey; working class parents can no longer afford to even take their kids to an NHL game let alone pay for them to play hockey. As others have pointed out hockey is becoming the domain of the upper crust of our society, and over time the national program will suffer because of it. We'll always produce elite players but the size of scope of the overall talent pool is probably diminishing.

Congrats to Czechia, the players and fans deserve to celebrate as hard as they wish to.

 

[bigdog16]

1 / 2. The 5 minute penalty in the 1st was not worthy of 5. The second kneeing penalty arguably wasn't even a penalty. The refs can simultaneously be bad and the team can be stupid. They are not mutually exclusive. If you know the refs are going to be incompetent, you should be doing everything in your power not to put yourself at risk of a bad call. Of course, not all of the calls were bad. In the USA game, I thought pretty much all (except for maybe 1) of Canada's penalties were justified. The refs were bad tonight, even Bobby Mac on TSN called them out. And Bobby Mac always plays devil's advocate against Canada.

3. Coaching doesn't matter in a short tournament? Lmao, this is one of the stupidest things I've read on these boards and that's saying something. I would say it's actually the opposite. You coach needs to be proactive and make quick adjustments in such a short tournament, which Cameron refused to do.

Lastly, regarding the USA, I think winning 6/8 games against Canada in the last little while is a small sample size to make any definitive judgements. The USA is pretty close to Canada's equal and over a larger sample size, I would expect a roughly 50/50 split. If Canada wins the 4 Nations Cup or whatever it's called next month, will that mean that USA is vastly inferior to Canada? No. Both nations are very close. If you think USA winning 75% of their matches against Canada is going to be the trend going forward, you might be disappointed.

They reviewed it and concluded it was a 5. Bobby Mac and the panel pointed fingers at everyone other than the Canadian team. It was embarrassing.

Coaching in general is vastly overrated in hockey. At the end of the day the players have to go out and make plays. And Canada did not do that.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Good game.

Unfortunately, kids take bad penalties at bad times.
Just ask Trevor Connelly.

 

[57special]

TC had chemistry, selection, and coaching problems. I could do with a lot less arrogance from the players before they win anything, but that is an attitude that many of the players have, not just Canadians. The Latvians and Czechs play together as a team... Canada.... not so much. The coaches picked a team that would have size and play D on the back end as opposed to more offensive players, and it came back to bite them, as they couldn't score or play great defense, mainly because of all the penalties they took playing overaggressively.

I this last game I thought that CAN had some overly harsh calls against them, but there were also some blatant crosschecks (again) that went uncalled, and that "diving" call against the Czechs was bogus, to me, and simply an attempt by the refs to not affect the game.

There were a few CAN players who impressed me, but far more who left me wondering why they were chosen.

 

[Dingo]

They are the nicest nation on Earth - apart from one thing, hockey. When it comes to hockey a demon takes them over, and many become arrogant bullies either bragging and belittling others or then whining... Though luckily not nearly all!

i just got back from work. Everyone on my shift is over 50.

What you say is true. I have seen it my whole life. Sane people just lose their minds completely over hockey here. They do already for their pro team, but when Canada plays internationally..... wow. A whole generation raised by Don Cherry.

 

[Dingo]

Nobody’s talking about you specifically, just Canadian fans in general.

How many Canadians in this thread are congratulating the Czechs? Very very few.

How many are finding excuses for the loss (coach, penalties, player selection, etc)? This thread is permiating with it. Even TSN is full of it.
Perhaps Canada loses not because of what you didn’t do, but because of what the opponent does.
But, no, that’s never it.

This thread is quite indicative of the self-centered, entitled and unsportsmanlike behavior many dislike about Canadian Hockey, and why many revel in a Canada loss.

Well said.