Pulling the Goalie with 6+ Minutes Left was Soooo Dumb

[Straight Fire]

Any chance at the Panthers doing a quick, subtle sneaking up on Vegas while they think the game is in the bag, and all of a sudden they're down by 1 or 2 with two minutes left went right out the window. That was the only chance as I see it. Catch Vegas in lull and continue the little surge they were already on. Instead all Vegas had to do is ice it toward the empty net with zero consequence for 6+ minutes. I've been watching this sport for many decades and this trend of pulling goalies early is just absurd.

And for the record, I'm not suggesting that Panthers chances at a comeback were more than 1 in a 100, just saying.

 

[LuGBuG]

Yeah really made a huge difference. Crazy……….

 

[ORRFForever]

Why? What do you have to lose? Miracles happen.

 

[POVERTY]

Vegas could have pulled their goalie with 6 mins left and they probably still would have won

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Any chance at the Panthers doing a quick, subtle sneaking up on Vegas while they think the game is in the bag, and all of a sudden they're down by 1 or 2 with two minutes left went right out the window. That was the only chance as I see it. Catch Vegas in lull and continue the little surge they were already on. Instead all Vegas had to do is ice it toward the empty net with zero consequence for 6+ minutes. I've been watching this sport for many decades and this trend of pulling goalies early is just absurd.

And for the record, I'm not suggesting that Panthers chances at a comeback were more than 1 in a 100, just saying.

They only do it because statistical models say it gives them a better chance, but sure.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Any chance at the Panthers doing a quick, subtle sneaking up on Vegas while they think the game is in the bag, and all of a sudden they're down by 1 or 2 with two minutes left went right out the window. That was the only chance as I see it. Catch Vegas in lull and continue the little surge they were already on. Instead all Vegas had to do is ice it toward the empty net with zero consequence for 6+ minutes. I've been watching this sport for many decades and this trend of pulling goalies early is just absurd.

And for the record, I'm not suggesting that Panthers chances at a comeback were more than 1 in a 100, just saying.

Weren't they down 4 at the time? 2 mins per goal, 8 mins, 6 was fine when literally everything is on the line.

 

[Danarqhy]

Bobrovsky was a humongous sieve the whole series, likely made 0 difference at all.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Bobrovsky was a humongous sieve the whole series, likely made 0 difference at all.

His defense gave him very little help

OT: Shame on Maurice for keeping Bobrovski in the entire game. Embarassing the guy who got you there.

 

[Straight Fire]

Weren't they down 4 at the time? 2 mins per goal, 8 mins, 6 was fine when literally everything is on the line.

They were down for 4, yes. But people need to consider that being down by 4 the team is a) very conscious that opponent is now pushing (when they pull their goalie, hence it wakes them up) and b) all the team in the lead has to do is ice the puck continually. It's not normal empty net play in the slightest. It's just non-stop shooting at an empty net with less than normal consequence.

Keep it 5 on 5 and keep doing what you're doing having scored 2 goals in the previous 4 or 5 minutes.

I'm a firm believer in 2.5 max down by two. Heck, okay, if you're down by 4 with 3 min left sure, whatever.

Normal down by 1 goal, no more than a minute and a half. 2 goals 2 min. That's it. Totally convinced of this.

 

[Osprey]

They had nothing going and needed to score in the next couple of minutes for a comeback to even be plausible. Pulling the goaltender gave them the man advantage and at least a chance to get one. If they had gotten it, they might've gained momentum.

There's also the possibility that Maurice didn't want to answer to the owner, players, media and/or fans about why he never pulled the goaltender. By doing so once and allowing one empty netter to really put the game out of reach, he could at least say that he tried to come back.

 

[Mike C]

His defense gave him very little help

OT: Shame on Maurice for keeping Bobrovski in the entire game. Embarassing the guy who got you there.

I thought Lyon should have started the 3rd. Bob had nothing left

 

[Straight Fire]

Why? What do you have to lose? Miracles happen.

Miracles happen with regular play and one team all of sudden going on a surge, getting some luck and then the team with the lead being flat. I've never seen a miracle by pulling a goalie with 6+ minutes left and the team with the lead being able to shoot at your empty net every chance they get the puck with icing being the only consequence.

 

[Mike C]

Weren't they down 4 at the time? 2 mins per goal, 8 mins, 6 was fine when literally everything is on the line.

Ah, It was a classy move because he wanted Stone to get the trick

 

[ORRFForever]

Miracles happen with regular play and one team all of sudden going on a surge, getting some luck and then the team with the lead being flat. I've never seen a miracle by pulling a goalie with 6+ minutes left and the team with the lead being able to shoot at your empty net every chance they get the puck with icing being the only consequence.

They owe it to their fans to try.

 

[Straight Fire]

 

[GalacticaActual]

Vegas could have pulled their goalie with 6 mins left and they probably still would have won

I do this when I’m destroying someone in online versus in EA’s NHL games lol.

 

[BattleBorn]

Meh. Gotta shoot your shot.

If the roles were reversed, I’d want to take the shot.

 

[Straight Fire]

Another way to state my point is this:

Pulling one's goaltender for an extra attacker can give a team an advantage in small periods of time where extra effort, skill concentration and set plays can be employed. In regular game play (which 6+ minutes IS), the team with a pulled goalie is at a severe disadvantage, excentuated by less risk for the "up team" in shooting for the empty net when up by 4 goals. If the advantage was greater in regular game play having 6 skaters and no goaltender than one could argue playing full games this way with scores being 25 to 24 and weirdness like that.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Panthers goal differential is totally screwed.

Will likely have to give back the conference championship trophy now as it is vacated

 

[BattleBorn]

Another way to state my point is this:

Pulling one's goaltender for an extra attacker can give a team an advantage in small periods of time where extra effort, skill concentration and set plays can be employed. In regular game play (which 6+ minutes IS), the team with a pulled goalie is at a severe disadvantage, excentuated by less risk for the "up team" in shooting for the empty net when up by 4 goals. If the advantage was greater in regular game play having 6 skaters and no goaltender than one could argue playing full games this way with scores being 25 to 24 and weirdness like that.

Vegas stinks 6v5, we've puked that up many times.

That was the shot, it should have been taken IMO and I'd have been mad if our coach hadn't taken it in the same situation with the score being what it was. You're going to tie or you're not, and you need time to tie in that situation.

When it's do to die/continue or don't, you have to take that shot. The goalie was going to get pulled regardless, when there's a deficit like that, your benefit is time. Pull early.

I actually wish teams would pull earlier in normal games.

 

[Breakers]

I remember when Roy did it

That dominated NHL talk for like 2 months when he pulled the goalie with 9 minutes left

Dinosaurs in the game almost lost their damn minds when they heard about it.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Another way to state my point is this:

Pulling one's goaltender for an extra attacker can give a team an advantage in small periods of time where extra effort, skill concentration and set plays can be employed. In regular game play (which 6+ minutes IS), the team with a pulled goalie is at a severe disadvantage, excentuated by less risk for the "up team" in shooting for the empty net when up by 4 goals. If the advantage was greater in regular game play having 6 skaters and no goaltender than one could argue playing full games this way with scores being 25 to 24 and weirdness like that.

But if the Panthers didn't score a goal in the next 1-2 minutes the game would be completely out of reach anyway. The Panthers' coach was trying to get within three by pulling the goalie for a "small period of time" where it could give his team an advantage.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

The timing was completely different for that game: there was 14:02 left in the game when the Kings got to within 3 goals.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

They were down for 4, yes. But people need to consider that being down by 4 the team is a) very conscious that opponent is now pushing (when they pull their goalie, hence it wakes them up) and b) all the team in the lead has to do is ice the puck continually. It's not normal empty net play in the slightest. It's just non-stop shooting at an empty net with less than normal consequence.

Keep it 5 on 5 and keep doing what you're doing having scored 2 goals in the previous 4 or 5 minutes.

I'm a firm believer in 2.5 max down by two. Heck, okay, if you're down by 4 with 3 min left sure, whatever.

Normal down by 1 goal, no more than a minute and a half. 2 goals 2 min. That's it. Totally convinced of this.

How many 4 goal comebacks with under 6 minutes have you seen ever? It's not 1 in 100, it's 1 in several million. If cou vant maintain possession and score within 2 minutes, odds becomes 1 to several billions. The other team knows how much time is left. If you stay 5 on 5 and lose possession, instead of icing it, they start just passing it around if they hain possession and kill so much time you have no chance either.

A few 3 goal comebacks with empty net and 4 ?instead have happened including during the playoffs.

Odds are in billions anyways. If you can't maintain possession with 6 players, what makes you think they would have been able to with 5?

 

[bobholly39]

Another way to state my point is this:

Pulling one's goaltender for an extra attacker can give a team an advantage in small periods of time where extra effort, skill concentration and set plays can be employed. In regular game play (which 6+ minutes IS), the team with a pulled goalie is at a severe disadvantage, excentuated by less risk for the "up team" in shooting for the empty net when up by 4 goals. If the advantage was greater in regular game play having 6 skaters and no goaltender than one could argue playing full games this way with scores being 25 to 24 and weirdness like that.

Who cares?

It's cup or bust - with 6 minutes to go. You pull the goalie - maybe you jump start a quick lucky goal with the man advantage and then you're down 3.