Value of: Puljuarvi to Ottawa

[The Devilish Buffoon]

This has to be the 10th trade offer for JP on HFboards from other fanbases. I keep reading he's trash yet I also keep seeing trade propsoals for him.

To be clear, he's an effective NHLer closing in on 300 games.

If our only offers are 5th round picks and tier 2 prospects then we have to keep him. I'm fine with a trade that makes us better and puts us closer to a cup (eg. a Dman). This is not that.

JP has failed as a Top 6 scoring solution but he hasn't failed as a NHL player. He's damn effective.

Having said that.. this is the Oil and we turned Yakupov into an ECHL player from St. Louis so this may actually be closer to reality.

Did I say he's trash? I feel like I was more complimentary than literally anyone else has been in this thread...

The reason there are proposals for Puljuarvi are because he is an NHL player, a reasonably effective one, but is completely overpaid, struggling in Edmonton, and Edmonton could use his salary elsewhere. It is a natural trade to make, and Puljuarvi is a useful player.

I think it is fair to assume that Edmonton would rather spend that 3mil elsewhere.

 

[Czechboy]

Did I say he's trash? I feel like I was more complimentary than literally anyone else has been in this thread...

The reason there are proposals for Puljuarvi are because he is an NHL player, a reasonably effective one, but is completely overpaid, struggling in Edmonton, and Edmonton could use his salary elsewhere. It is a natural trade to make, and Puljuarvi is a useful player.

I think it is fair to assume that Edmonton would rather spend that 3mil elsewhere.

Did I say he's trash?

but is completely overpaid, struggling in Edmonton, and Edmonton could use his salary elsewhere

I was referring to half the internet that hates him and wants him to be playing house league in Alberta.lol However, your description of him and a description of a trash player aren't that far off.

My point was more that a lot of other fanbases seem to want him and that is why we should keep him. Nothing coming in on one HFBoards proposal would make us stronger and closer to a cup this Spring. Eg. nothing in this trade proposal offers would make us better than we are now. We are not rebuilding... so low grade picks and AHL players are not what we need.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

This is half a "Value of", half a "Proposal". Here we go.

Puljuarvi is clearly struggling in Edmonton, on and off the ice. Currently, 12 teams can fit his salary without sending anyone back (assuming a 21 man roster). These teams are LA, Seattle, NYR, MIN, WPG, NYI, OTT, DET, CHI, ANA, BUF & AZ. From what I can tell, LA, Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago, NYI, Minnesota & Seattle have no need for him, and adding him would be blocking/taking a spot from young guys who they are high on. Anaheim, Arizona, NYR, and Winnipeg might have some interest. But I would say Ottawa, NYR and Winnipeg are the three teams who are a) actively looking for depth and b) oriented to the future.

All this is to say - I don't see a big market, and I don't necessarily see Edmonton as being able to get a good player for him. While they may be able to get a similar overpaid player finding their way, it seems to me like the cap space would be better used elsewhere.

All that said, what does it take to get Puljuarvi to Ottawa? Pieces I can see being on the table, ranked in order of value:
TIER 1:
- OTT 3rd 2025
- Parker Kelly, LW, 23yrs, $0.7625m x 2yrs (RFA)
TIER 2:
- Cole Reinhardt, LW, 22yrs, $0.833m x 2yrs (RFA)
- OTT 4th 2024
- TB 4th 2024
TIER 3:
- Dylan Gambrell, C, 26yrs, $0.95m x 1yr (RFA)
- Kevin Mandolese, G, 22yrs, $0.835m x 1yr (RFA)
- OTT 5th 2024/2025
TIER 4:
- OTT 6th 2024/2025
- Jonathan Aspirot, LD, 23yrs, $0.7683m x 1yr (RFA)
- Jayce Hawryluk, W, 26yrs, $0.75m x 1yr (UFA)

I would break down the players as such:
- Depth NHLers (12-14th fwd): Parker Kelly & Dylan Gambrell
- Good AHLer with fill-in NHL ability & Depth NHLer potential: Cole Reinhardt
- Good AHLer with fill-in NHL ability: Jayce Hawryluk
- OK AHLer with fill-in NHL potential: Jonathan Aspirot, Kevin Mandolese

I would probably give up two of the assets listed above, broken down as such: either TIER 1 + TIER 4, or TIER 2 + TIER 3. I have some hesitancy around TIER 1 + TIER 4 without retention, but might do it if push comes to shove. I would definitely do TIER 2 + TIER 3, although I can still certainly see Edmonton winning that trade...

Does this get it done? If not, what does? Also, feel free to chime in on offers for Puljuarvi from other teams.

A lot of thought and attention to OTTAWA (a 4 Tier attack!!!). What is going on in Ottawa that you want to get your hands on 4 tiers of their players? I think based on your desire for these players that the best resolve is to start cheering for Ottawa.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

Puljuarvi for Armia?

 

[pth2]

Puljuarvi for Armia?

Already suggested elsewhere. The main issue is contracts - JP's is only this season, Armia has many seasons left on his. So there's really no reason for Edmonton to take on a bad contract when they have the option of just not making JP a qualifying offer. (and they could still offer him a longer contract for less money)

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I was referring to half the internet that hates him and wants him to be playing house league in Alberta.lol However, your description of him and a description of a trash player aren't that far off.

My point was more that a lot of other fanbases seem to want him and that is why we should keep him. Nothing coming in on one HFBoards proposal would make us stronger and closer to a cup this Spring. Eg. nothing in this trade proposal offers would make us better than we are now. We are not rebuilding... so low grade picks and AHL players are not what we need.

Nothing in the proposal makes Edmonton better, that is true. But it does give them an opportunity to add an NHL player AND enough cap space to add a true impact player at the deadline, plus possibly another depth piece.

The main asset is cap space, the secondary asset is the acquisition price. Ottawa traded Connor Brown, a far better player than Puljuarvi, for a 2nd rounder. Bjorkstrand got a 3rd + 4th.

If you don't want to add a player to this group, that's fine. If you do, though, trading Puljuarvi is likely what makes the most sense.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

He should go to Carolina.
Under the wings of Aho.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

The MAJOR issue with Edmonton trading Puljujaarvi is that he is the 2nd best LW on our team still (between him and Yamamoto).

With Foegele injured, we are currently icing a lineup that has 5x AHL-caliber wingers in our bottom-6.

We aren't a deep enough team to be giving away the very few NHL players we have, even if they are in a slump, and overpaid.



Even with the cap-space, If we trade JP we actually need NHL-caliber players back. Not a collection of AHL scrubs that need significant sheltering. IF we trade away JP we need to be getting the better player back in the trade.

 

[LMFAO]

Good. Let's close the thread now then.

/


You're either dreaming or trolling.

Greig will look amazing in royal blue.

 

[Czechboy]

I would do JP plus some of our AHL Tier 2,3 or 4 guys for Zub. He would help us once his face is healed up.

The idea being that the day after the trade I can look at our roster and go 'we're better now' since we are not in a rebuild.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

The MAJOR issue with Edmonton trading Puljujaarvi is that he is the 2nd best LW on our team still (between him and Yamamoto).

With Foegele injured, we are currently icing a lineup that has 5x AHL-caliber wingers in our bottom-6.

We aren't a deep enough team to be giving away the very few NHL players we have, even if they are in a slump, and overpaid.



Even with the cap-space, If we trade JP we actually need NHL-caliber players back. Not a collection of AHL scrubs that need significant sheltering. IF we trade away JP we need to be getting the better player back in the trade.

Kelly & Gambrell can take a regular shift for you guys. I'd put them on a similar level as Shore.

Of course, this trade only makes sense if Edmonton will use the cap space elsewhere.

I would do JP plus some of our AHL Tier 2,3 or 4 guys for Zub. He would help us once his face is healed up.

The idea being that the day after the trade I can look at our roster and go 'we're better now' since we are not in a rebuild.

JP is, at most, a cap balancer in a trade for Zub. Discussion doesn't even begin if Zub is willing to extend; if he's not, discussion begins with a 1st and doesn't stop there.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Already suggested elsewhere. The main issue is contracts - JP's is only this season, Armia has many seasons left on his. So there's really no reason for Edmonton to take on a bad contract when they have the option of just not making JP a qualifying offer. (and they could still offer him a longer contract for less money)

yeah, Armia being worse, older, more expensive and injury prone while signed for two more years after this one makes him a complete non-starter.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Kelly & Gambrell can take a regular shift for you guys. I'd put them on a similar level as Shore.

Of course, this trade only makes sense if Edmonton will use the cap space elsewhere.

JP is, at most, a cap balancer in a trade for Zub. Discussion doesn't even begin if Zub is willing to extend; if he's not, discussion begins with a 1st and doesn't stop there.

well that's kind of the point - we don't need more Shore's, because we already have Shore. And guys like Malone, Hamblin, Benson, etc. We want to push those guys out of the lineup, not add more of them. Especially as a left shot LW, we have so many of them we don't know what to do with them all.

We aren't lacking tweener fourth liners that don't bring much of anything in particular. Edmonton doesn't need to rush to make this deal if it's for the likes of Parker Kelly and a 5th rounder in 2065.

The thing edmonton needs more than anything is a defensive upgrade. Putting Puljujarvi in such a deal as offsetting salary makes a lot more sense than just gifting him to someone else for what's effectively nothing.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

well that's kind of the point - we don't need more Shore's, because we already have Shore. And guys like Malone, Hamblin, Benson, etc. We want to push those guys out of the lineup, not add more of them. Especially as a left shot LW, we have so many of them we don't know what to do with them all.

We aren't lacking tweener fourth liners that don't bring much of anything in particular. Edmonton doesn't need to rush to make this deal if it's for the likes of Parker Kelly and a 5th rounder in 2065.

The thing edmonton needs more than anything is a defensive upgrade. Putting Puljujarvi in such a deal as offsetting salary makes a lot more sense than just gifting him to someone else for what's effectively nothing.

Meh, I think a 3rd + depth player/pick is far from nothing, and you may be able to lower the acquisition cost on another player by not including Puljuarvi.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Kelly & Gambrell can take a regular shift for you guys. I'd put them on a similar level as Shore.

Of course, this trade only makes sense if Edmonton will use the cap space elsewhere.

JP is, at most, a cap balancer in a trade for Zub. Discussion doesn't even begin if Zub is willing to extend; if he's not, discussion begins with a 1st and doesn't stop there.

Meh, I think a 3rd + depth player/pick is far from nothing, and you may be able to lower the acquisition cost on another player by not including Puljuarvi.

I mean ChaoticOrange nailed it.

Puljujaarvi despite all his many flaws and massive cap hit is still a useful player to us.

We're not a deep enough team to shelter more Shore-level players. We need guys that can move the needle in a positive way on the 3rd line or we will very happily keep JP.


JP's trade value might be picks, and depth players, but Oilers don't need that.
We need a RW that can play better than JP.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Meh, I think a 3rd + depth player/pick is far from nothing, and you may be able to lower the acquisition cost on another player by not including Puljuarvi.

but, you're admitting yourself by offering a 3rd and a warm body that you don't think Puljujarvi has negative value. That's not a LOT of positive value, but it is positive value, so I don't think the bolded point has any basis in reality.

 

[McShogun99]

The question is if there's a team with 3 million in cap space that they're willing to burn on a reclamation project. His value right now is probably a 3rd. Edmonton only has a few options for JP right now. Trade him for whatever pick you can get to open up cap space for the trade deadline. Trade him for another reclamation project or not qualify him this off season.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

but, you're admitting yourself by offering a 3rd and a warm body that you don't think Puljujarvi has negative value. That's not a LOT of positive value, but it is positive value, so I don't think the bolded point has any basis in reality.

I said MAY. Puljuarvi has value to Ottawa in my opinion. There are DEFINITELY teams who wouldn't (aka couldn't) take him for free, and probably teams who view him as nothing more than a cap dump. If you are making a deal with a team close to the cap and Puljuarvi has to be included for the deal to go through, the team in question may view that as an imposition.

I think Ottawa has more use for Puljuarvi than most teams, so of course his value is relatively higher to Ottawa than it would be to, say, Tampa Bay or Toronto.

The question is if there's a team with 3 million in cap space that they're willing to burn on a reclamation project. His value right now is probably a 3rd. Edmonton only has a few options for JP right now. Trade him for whatever pick you can get to open up cap space for the trade deadline. Trade him for another reclamation project or not qualify him this off season.

This is exactly what I'm getting at. And I am not gonna disagree with Oilers fans who think Puljuarvi should/will be retained until at least the end of this year, or only dealt if a top 9 player is coming back. But my idea behind the trade is to open up cap space. This is not a "finishing touch" move, it's a move that gives you more flexibility, asset-wise and cap-wise, to make that "finishing touch" move(s) between now & the deadline.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I said MAY. Puljuarvi has value to Ottawa in my opinion. There are DEFINITELY teams who wouldn't (aka couldn't) take him for free, and probably teams who view him as nothing more than a cap dump. If you are making a deal with a team close to the cap and Puljuarvi has to be included for the deal to go through, the team in question may view that as an imposition.

I think Ottawa has more use for Puljuarvi than most teams, so of course his value is relatively higher to Ottawa than it would be to, say, Tampa Bay or Toronto.


This is exactly what I'm getting at. And I am not gonna disagree with Oilers fans who think Puljuarvi should/will be retained until at least the end of this year, or only dealt if a top 9 player is coming back. But my idea behind the trade is to open up cap space. This is not a "finishing touch" move, it's a move that gives you more flexibility, asset-wise and cap-wise, to make that "finishing touch" move(s) between now & the deadline.

I mean, it's true of pretty much every player in the league that there are teams that couldn't take them for free. If Connor McDavid hit the waiver wire tomorrow, only three teams in the league could take him for free. Everyone else doesn't have the cap space.

We're not looking to make trades with the likes of Tampa Bay or Toronto. We're interested in the likes of Chychrun, Gavrikov, or - for some stupid reason - Edmundson. Those guys would require salary going back, and Puljujarvi would have some value to all of the teams that currently have those players.

I just don't see the point in dumping him off a cliff for pretty much nothing. Ottawa takes virtually no risk for potentially high reward, and I don't like that, especially since keeping him til the TDL and going out as part of a larger deal is more logical. Alternatively I could see him going for another change of scenery player like Gavrikov for example. Bit parts with no potential and no impact to the current roster just doesn't make sense.

 

[Petes2424]

This is half a "Value of", half a "Proposal". Here we go.

Puljuarvi is clearly struggling in Edmonton, on and off the ice. Currently, 12 teams can fit his salary without sending anyone back (assuming a 21 man roster). These teams are LA, Seattle, NYR, MIN, WPG, NYI, OTT, DET, CHI, ANA, BUF & AZ. From what I can tell, LA, Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago, NYI, Minnesota & Seattle have no need for him, and adding him would be blocking/taking a spot from young guys who they are high on. Anaheim, Arizona, NYR, and Winnipeg might have some interest. But I would say Ottawa, NYR and Winnipeg are the three teams who are a) actively looking for depth and b) oriented to the future.

All this is to say - I don't see a big market, and I don't necessarily see Edmonton as being able to get a good player for him. While they may be able to get a similar overpaid player finding their way, it seems to me like the cap space would be better used elsewhere.

All that said, what does it take to get Puljuarvi to Ottawa? Pieces I can see being on the table, ranked in order of value:
TIER 1:
- OTT 3rd 2025
- Parker Kelly, LW, 23yrs, $0.7625m x 2yrs (RFA)
TIER 2:
- Cole Reinhardt, LW, 22yrs, $0.833m x 2yrs (RFA)
- OTT 4th 2024
- TB 4th 2024
TIER 3:
- Dylan Gambrell, C, 26yrs, $0.95m x 1yr (RFA)
- Kevin Mandolese, G, 22yrs, $0.835m x 1yr (RFA)
- OTT 5th 2024/2025
TIER 4:
- OTT 6th 2024/2025
- Jonathan Aspirot, LD, 23yrs, $0.7683m x 1yr (RFA)
- Jayce Hawryluk, W, 26yrs, $0.75m x 1yr (UFA)

I would break down the players as such:
- Depth NHLers (12-14th fwd): Parker Kelly & Dylan Gambrell
- Good AHLer with fill-in NHL ability & Depth NHLer potential: Cole Reinhardt
- Good AHLer with fill-in NHL ability: Jayce Hawryluk
- OK AHLer with fill-in NHL potential: Jonathan Aspirot, Kevin Mandolese

I would probably give up two of the assets listed above, broken down as such: either TIER 1 + TIER 4, or TIER 2 + TIER 3. I have some hesitancy around TIER 1 + TIER 4 without retention, but might do it if push comes to shove. I would definitely do TIER 2 + TIER 3, although I can still certainly see Edmonton winning that trade...

Does this get it done? If not, what does? Also, feel free to chime in on offers for Puljuarvi from other teams.

If they can get a 3rd right now, they’d likely take it and run. If I’m Ottawa though, I want him nowhere near all my young players.

 

[McRpro]

This has to be the 10th trade offer for JP on HFboards from other fanbases. I keep reading he's trash yet I also keep seeing trade propsoals for him.

To be clear, he's an effective NHLer closing in on 300 games.

If our only offers are 5th round picks and tier 2 prospects then we have to keep him. I'm fine with a trade that makes us better and puts us closer to a cup (eg. a Dman). This is not that.

JP has failed as a Top 6 scoring solution but he hasn't failed as a NHL player. He's damn effective.

Having said that.. this is the Oil and we turned Yakupov into an ECHL player from St. Louis so this may actually be closer to reality.

Pochiro was just a throw in. The Oilers used the 3rd round pick they got from the Blues along with a 5th rounder to move in the 2017 draft and pick Stuart Skinner.

 

[Homesick]

Nothing in the proposal makes Edmonton better, that is true. But it does give them an opportunity to add an NHL player AND enough cap space to add a true impact player at the deadline, plus possibly another depth piece.

The main asset is cap space, the secondary asset is the acquisition price. Ottawa traded Connor Brown, a far better player than Puljuarvi, for a 2nd rounder. Bjorkstrand got a 3rd + 4th.

If you don't want to add a player to this group, that's fine. If you do, though, trading Puljuarvi is likely what makes the most sense.

The Oilers don't need more bottom 6 players though. Once Foegele and E.Kane are back they will have to send down Kostin, Holloway and Janmark to run a 21 man roster for cap compliance

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The Oilers don't need more bottom 6 players though. Once Foegele and E.Kane are back they will have to send down Kostin, Holloway and Janmark to run a 21 man roster for cap compliance

I would be very, very surprised if Kostin goes anywhere right now. He makes league minimum, I think they’d send down quite a few guys rather than risk him needing waivers.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

The Oilers don't need more bottom 6 players though. Once Foegele and E.Kane are back they will have to send down Kostin, Holloway and Janmark to run a 21 man roster for cap compliance

Again, the bottom 6 player is not the point. It is just depth. Bakersfield has no one who can score and Edmonton has the fewest contracts in the league. The point is to create space. The asset is the 3rd rounder + that space.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Greig will look amazing in royal blue.

You’re not getting him unless you offer something of value.