Puckpedia? Cap space explanation

[trellaine201]

Not sure where to post BUT i want to understand puckpedia. Mainly what category do I look at for cap space available for each team? I see projected cap, current cap space and and LTIR pool? Which one do I look at to know how much each team has to spend to the cap?

Thanks

 

[M88K]

Not sure where to post BUT i want to understand puckpedia. Mainly what category do I look at for cap space available for each team? I see projected cap, current cap space and and LTIR pool? Which one do I look at to know how much each team has to spend to the cap?

Thanks

technically none, because none of them are actually accurate.


The same issue exists with capwages.


For the closest number, under cap projections projected cap hit and current cap space are the best numbers you'll get from Puckpedia

 

[rsteen]

Why are they inaccurate?

 

[mouser]

Not sure where to post BUT i want to understand puckpedia. Mainly what category do I look at for cap space available for each team? I see projected cap, current cap space and and LTIR pool? Which one do I look at to know how much each team has to spend to the cap?

Thanks

Projected Cap is how much unused cap space the team would have available at the end of the season. This is cap space the team can use to fit in any earned Performance Bonuses. If a team does not have sufficient cap space for all of the earned Performance Bonuses then the overage carries over as dead cap space the next season.

Current Cap Space is how much cap space a team has to add players today. For teams under the cap this is pro-rated accumulated cap space. For teams using LTIR this is the remaining unused relief in the LTIR pool.

LTIR Pool is the maximum amount a team can exceed the Cap Ceiling by as a result of players currently on LTIR. This is not the amount of unused LTIR relief. This amount will be equal to the AAV of contracts on LTIR minus the “lost cap space” due to being under the cap ceiling when LTIR was first invoked. The team’s cap usage when LTIR was first invoked is often called the ACSL (Accruable Cap Space Limit).

 

[M88K]

Why are they inaccurate?

Edit: Apparently they do track daily cap hits it's just a premium feature.



Because they don't actually track daily cap accruals and treat everything as if it's for the whole year.
for example the NHL season is 192 days this year (IIRC)

Rantanen doesn't cost 4.625m against Chicago, nor does he cost 4.625m against Dallas.

It's more like 6.26m to Colorado (based on number of days on Colorado Roster I estimated the number of days around 130)
1.49 to Chicago (50% of the remaining for 62 days)
602k to Carolina
888k to Dallas
is a rough estimate of how the cap hits break down just for Rantanen.


Now take someone like Bichsel
his cap hit is 918k for the whole year.
But he didn't and won't spend the whole year on the roster.
to further the point, the Stars did a lot of paper transactions with him this year, where he would spend close of business day on the AHL roster, so the stars would avoid his cap hit.

so you take his 918,333 / 192 = 4783 per day on the NHL roster.
But what they were doing with him for much of the year
is
Monday = Game day =on the nhl roster (+$4783)
Tuesday = No game (He's "sent" to the AHL) so no cap hit tuesday
Wednesday = Game Day = back on the nhl roster for close of business (+$4783)

So of the 192 days in the NHL season, he's spent/will spend maybe 60-70 days total on the NHL roster to count against the cap.
So his actual applied cap hit for the year will be 286,980 to 334,810 against the cap. Maybe more depending on the actual number of days, but a fraction of the 918k.


But if you were to check Puckpedia or capwages he counts as if it's the whole 918,333.

It would take a lot more resources than most of those sites have to accurately track that information, and generalization is good enough for the average person's usage, but they aren't actually accurate

 

[GAGLine]

Because they don't actually track daily cap accruals and treat everything as if it's for the whole year.
for example the NHL season is 192 days this year (IIRC)

Rantanen doesn't cost 4.625m against Chicago, nor does he cost 4.625m against Dallas.

It's more like 6.26m to Colorado (based on number of days on Colorado Roster I estimated the number of days around 130)
1.49 to Chicago (50% of the remaining for 62 days)
602k to Carolina
888k to Dallas
is a rough estimate of how the cap hits break down just for Rantanen.


Now take someone like Bichsel
his cap hit is 918k for the whole year.
But he didn't and won't spend the whole year on the roster.
to further the point, the Stars did a lot of paper transactions with him this year, where he would spend close of business day on the AHL roster, so the stars would avoid his cap hit.

so you take his 918,333 / 192 = 4783 per day on the NHL roster.
But what they were doing with him for much of the year
is
Monday = Game day =on the nhl roster (+$4783)
Tuesday = No game (He's "sent" to the AHL) so no cap hit tuesday
Wednesday = Game Day = back on the nhl roster for close of business (+$4783)

So of the 192 days in the NHL season, he's spent/will spend maybe 60-70 days total on the NHL roster to count against the cap.
So his actual applied cap hit for the year will be 286,980 to 334,810 against the cap. Maybe more depending on the actual number of days, but a fraction of the 918k.


But if you were to check Puckpedia or capwages he counts as if it's the whole 918,333.

It would take a lot more resources than most of those sites have to accurately track that information, and generalization is good enough for the average person's usage, but they aren't actually accurate

I don't think this is accurate.

You are correct that the site lists the full cap hit for each player, regardless of how many days they have been on the roster, but I believe the calculated totals at the top are based on days on roster.

If you look at the Rangers, for example, it says:

However, if you add up the totals for forwards, dmen and goalies, you get a different number:

51,706,190 + 24,234,500 + 6,941,667 = 82,882,357

The difference is due to the trades the Rangers have made.

Also, PuckPedia does have the daily breakdown, but you have to pay for it:

https://puckpedia.com/team/new-york-rangers/daily

So, without actually doing the calculations myself, I would assume the numbers at the top are accurate based on the day-to-day accounting.

 

[mouser]

Because they don't actually track daily cap accruals and treat everything as if it's for the whole year.
for example the NHL season is 192 days this year (IIRC)

Rantanen doesn't cost 4.625m against Chicago, nor does he cost 4.625m against Dallas.

Puckpedia does track daily cap accruals—all the team cap numbers are calculated using the daily accrual data.

However, unlike CapFriendly, the team daily cap accrual data on Puckpedia is not free to view, requires a premium subscription.

 

[M88K]

Puckpedia does track daily cap accruals—all the team cap numbers are calculated using the daily accrual data.

However, unlike CapFriendly, the team daily cap accrual data on Puckpedia is not free to view, requires a premium subscription.

Ah, well then I lied, and that's my mistake