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Eye of Ra said:
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Yeah the rookie Hutson playing 22+ minutes a night ended his full season as a -2 is a defensive black hole? Lemme guess you know better than MSL, such a defensive "black hole" on the ice for almost half the game, how did we make the playoffs with such a terrible player? Try harder?
 
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Fabian Lysell
Isak Rosen
Brennan Othmann
Jesper Wallstedt
Alexander Holtz
 
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HighLifeMan said:
Odd having Honzek here at this point. He was a mid round 1st who made the Flames roster out of camp. He may not have had a standout year in the AHL as a 19/20 year old but 90% of his draft class was still playing junior hockey. It's not as if he was ever pegged as a surefire first liner talent.
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First of all, you have to remember he is a late birthday, so although you want to compare him against his draft mates, it makes more sense to compare him to the kids in the 2022 class, instead. As those are the kids he played against growing up. That’s how I view it anyway.

Everything he has done since being drafted has been a disappointment. His D+1 season in Vancouver going below P/PG in limited action was unacceptable as a 16th overall pick. Then this year, had some pedestrian numbers in the AHL. Compare it to a Dalibor Dvorsky/Bradly Nadeau/Jani Nyman or Yegor Sidorov it’s very disappointing.

In my opinion, a prospect “making the team out of camp” or a prospect that had a “step by training camp” are things a fanbase can easily get caught up in and tend to overrate their prospect because of it. There are too many examples throughout the years.

Victor Mete
Owen Beck
Fraser Minten
Hendrix Lapierre
Matthew Poitras
Liam Foudy
Juuso Valimaki
Ville Heinola
Peyton Krebs
Alex Burmistrov
Daniel Sprong
Curtis Lazar
Mikhail Grigoreinko
Dennis Cholowski

And that’s just off the top of my head…
 
OneSharpMarble said:
Yeah the rookie Hutson playing 22+ minutes a night ended his full season as a -2 is a defensive black hole? Lemme guess you know better than MSL, such a defensive "black hole" on the ice for almost half the game, how did we make the playoffs with such a terrible player? Try harder?
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Teams can excel with a bad defender. Just look at the Caps all those years with Mike Green. Only through the rosiest of rose-colored glasses can you label Hutson as anything better than a bad defensive player this season. Even with very sheltered zone starts and matchups he barely avoided being caved. He will improve definitely but this year was not anything any rational non-biased fan would point to as a good defensive showing.
 
FissionFire said:
Teams can excel with a bad defender. Just look at the Caps all those years with Mike Green. Only through the rosiest of rose-colored glasses can you label Hutson as anything better than a bad defensive player this season. Even with very sheltered zone starts and matchups he barely avoided being caved. He will improve definitely but this year was not anything any rational non-biased fan would point to as a good defensive showing.
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-2 in a rookie season playing big minutes for a 170lb dman is pretty damn good. If you don't think the NHL would have absolutely focused him and exploited this so called "defensive black hole" then you just don't understand how NHL teams work.
 
LeProspector said:
First of all, you have to remember he is a late birthday, so although you want to compare him against his draft mates, it makes more sense to compare him to the kids in the 2022 class, instead. As those are the kids he played against growing up. That’s how I view it anyway.

Everything he has done since being drafted has been a disappointment. His D+1 season in Vancouver going below P/PG in limited action was unacceptable as a 16th overall pick. Then this year, had some pedestrian numbers in the AHL. Compare it to a Dalibor Dvorsky/Bradly Nadeau/Jani Nyman or Yegor Sidorov it’s very disappointing.

In my opinion, a prospect “making the team out of camp” or a prospect that had a “step by training camp” are things a fanbase can easily get caught up in and tend to overrate their prospect because of it. There are too many examples throughout the years.

Victor Mete
Owen Beck
Fraser Minten
Hendrix Lapierre
Matthew Poitras
Liam Foudy
Juuso Valimaki
Ville Heinola
Peyton Krebs
Alex Burmistrov
Daniel Sprong
Curtis Lazar
Mikhail Grigoreinko
Dennis Cholowski

And that’s just off the top of my head…
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Making the team out of camp is a lot more meaningful than being injured during his D1 year. Injuries happen and he's a huge kid. Guy was always pegged as a do it all second liner anyway.

Last half of the AHL he started producing well. He'll get a lot better minutes next year and likely push to make the team at some point next year. At which point he'd be ahead of coronato timeline wise.
 
Brendan Brisson: 23 and had played more AHL games than his two seasons prior, and scored 12 less points that his worst previous season, this time between two teams.

Brennan Othmann: He's a good AHL guy but as it stands, he's not good enough for an NHL top 6 and is still behind the play lots.

David Jiricek: Time's running out. Hasn't shown he's ready for the NHL and doesn't stand out in the AHL. Footspeed and IQ are still issues.

Colby Barlow: There's still time, but he needs to come into Manitoba next year and show his game is pro-made.
 
OneSharpMarble said:
-2 in a rookie season playing big minutes for a 170lb dman is pretty damn good. If you don't think the NHL would have absolutely focused him and exploited this so called "defensive black hole" then you just don't understand how NHL teams work.
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Every metric says he was bad. The eye test confirms it. All you are throwing out is plus/minus as a defense, universally agreed upon as the most useless stat to evaluate defensive play out there. Look at his zone start stats. Look at his QoC. Look at literally anything that is useful and it paints a very clear picture. He’s a barely above replacement level defensively THiS PAST YEAR. Will he continue to be awful? I doubt it of course he will improve. But pretending he was anything more than a Mike Green type of defender THiS SEASON is just lying to yourself.
 
FissionFire said:
Every metric says he was bad. The eye test confirms it. All you are throwing out is plus/minus as a defense, universally agreed upon as the most useless stat to evaluate defensive play out there. Look at his zone start stats. Look at his QoC. Look at literally anything that is useful and it paints a very clear picture. He’s a barely above replacement level defensively THiS PAST YEAR. Will he continue to be awful? I doubt it of course he will improve. But pretending he was anything more than a Mike Green type of defender THiS SEASON is just lying to yourself.
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The eye test? How many times have you even watched this player? Sorry as a Habs fan I only watched almost every game this year and you're full of it. He lead the team in takeaways and giveaways and yet still only a -2, he also has one of the highest shots blocked on the team, man what a black hole of defense this guy, blocking all those shots. What metrics and what eye test from some rando that probably never watches him? I've seen him get beat in the corners but much more often I have seen him win the corner against much bigger dudes.

You just reek of desperation looking for something to hang on the kid.
 
Holtz
Reichel
J. Perreault
Brisson
Wiesblatt
Boucher
Lysell
Lambos
Stillman
From 2020 and 2021 as 1st rounders.

I'll still give 2022 some time but compared to expectations/relative hope, these guys are trending that way:
Jiricek
Gaucher
Mesar
Schaefer
 
I'd be shocked if Honzek ever hits 40 points in the NHL. I couldn't understand the scouting reports on him. He didn't show any of that. Not even in the AHL. He's not consistent, he's not particularly a hard working player, and the only reason he got a cup of coffee is because they tried boosting his motivation and confidence.
 
rocketdan9 said:
C̶h̶a̶z̶ ̶L̶u̶c̶i̶u̶s̶ ̶
Fabian Lysell
Isak Rosen
Brennan Othmann
Jesper Wallstedt
Alexander Holtz
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Stewie Griffin said:
Holtz
Reichel
J. Perreault
Brisson
Wiesblatt
Boucher
Lysell
Lambos
Stillman
From 2020 and 2021 as 1st rounders.

I'll still give 2022 some time but compared to expectations/relative hope, these guys are trending that way:
Jiricek
Gaucher
Mesar
Schaefer
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Lysell looked like the best player on the ice with the puck on his stick in his recent callup. He was usually top three in advanced metrics as well. He is incredibly dynamic with the puck, starting to think he is going to have to play for another org to get a real opportunity however.
 
I am Bettman said:
Lysell looked like the best player on the ice with the puck on his stick in his recent callup. He was usually top three in advanced metrics as well. He is incredibly dynamic with the puck, starting to think he is going to have to play for another org to get a real opportunity however.
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As much as I'd prefer people be right about him, I still see a solid NHL player in Lysell. Certainly nothing I'd turn my nose up at from the 20s.
 
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