Prospect Info: Prospect Talk PART VIII

[IslesNorway]

A lot will depend on how the team does the rest of the season. If the team feels comfortable with Strait as a regular dman going into next year I think you are right. Otherwise, I think we add a vet.

I think Snow has a plan for inserting his young dman.
Streit leaves --> Donovan or De Haan comes in
AMac leaves --> De Haan or Reinhart comes in
Visnovsky leaves --> next in line

I think Hickey was originally a stop-gap, but he may be playing himself into long term (bottom pair) plans.

The Isles may well face a logjam of sorts on defense in a few years, but I think Amac will be here for many years still. The organization loves him and I think he'll sign a reasonable deal in the summer (ie. 4 years 8 million). In the end he'll be a bottom pairing guy but a pretty good one at that

 

[redbull]

Even more disappointing is that Snow could have just drafted Hedman.

i'd mentioned hedman a couple of weeks ago, how well he's been playing this year, he's really come a long way since his first two years (not unlike tavares!)

I was hoping Snow would draft all three of Tavares, Duchene and Hedman that year. That's a way to re-build, get three players at ONCE. Not like the Oilers!

Burke got close by pulling off the Sedins, but that was a unique case. He also had Perry//Getzlaf in the same draft, which is a nice find. Richards/Carter in 2003 another nice draft.

No offense to Tavares-deHaan.....BUT landing ALL THREE of Duchene, Tavares, Hedman would have been a very cool story. Maybe they should have packaged DiPietro, Yashin, Tambellini, Campoli, Gervais and 3-4 picks?

 

[YashinWorksHard]

@sunayas 3min
Edmonton's Griffin Reinhart also on the #WHL Super Series roster. If he makes the WJC he'll have to serve 3 games remaining on his IIHF ban

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Can this ban make him miss the WJC?

 

[scott99]

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Can this ban make him miss the WJC?

Just the first 3 games. I still think Canada takes him with them. He may be Canada's best d-man outside of the NHL.

 

[PWJunior]

Just the first 3 games. I still think Canada takes him with them. He may be Canada's best d-man outside of the NHL.

He's a lock for the team. I think I've read that Canada doesn't play a really strong team in any of those 3 games so he'll be available for the USA/Sweden/Russia types. He's penciled in as the #1D.

 

[edmontonislesfan]

The Leduc picture is hanging on the wall in my dungeon right next to Bobby Orr and the Mario Lemeiux.

Leduc No. 1 is more than just an oil well!

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

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Can this ban make him miss the WJC?

Certainly. I'd say it will cost him the WJC.

It's not like Canada has hardly any Dmen to replace him. No program on the planet has more depth.

RESPECT if he they feel he's soooo good, that they take him despite the suspension.

 

[blinkman360]

Certainly. I'd say it will cost him the WJC.

It's not like Canada has hardly any Dmen to replace him. No program on the planet has more depth.

RESPECT if he they feel he's soooo good, that they take him despite the suspension.

No chance of him not making it, IMO. IIRC, the preliminary games will be applied to the suspension, so I'm not sure if he'll even miss any of the actual tournament. Add to that he's expected to be Canada's #1 defenseman. No way they don't bring him along.

 

[scott99]

No chance of him not making it, IMO. IIRC, the preliminary games will be applied to the suspension, so I'm not sure if he'll even miss any of the actual tournament. Add to that he's expected to be Canada's #1 defenseman. No way they don't bring him along.

Awesome !!, That's good news that the suspension counts for the prelim games too. he won't miss any important games.

 

[luki here]

Awesome !!, That's good news that the suspension counts for the prelim games too. he won't miss any important games.

Is this a new development? Chatter all through last year and the off season was that reinhart would miss the group stage games.

 

[PWJunior]

Is this a new development? Chatter all through last year and the off season was that reinhart would miss the group stage games.

I've asked several reputable posters about this and no one has really given a straight answer.

From the last time I asked, the preliminary games don't count towards the suspension. Reinhart can play in those games (you know he will), but will have to sit out the 3 tourney games. I think the game after is against the USA and he'll be needed for that.

Still, he's a lock anyway.

 

[edmontonislesfan]

I've asked several reputable posters about this and no one has really given a straight answer.

From the last time I asked, the preliminary games don't count towards the suspension. Reinhart can play in those games (you know he will), but will have to sit out the 3 tourney games. I think the game after is against the USA and he'll be needed for that.

Still, he's a lock anyway.

I guess it's a matter of semantics. There are three stages: exhibition games, preliminary round (round robin against everyone in your pool), playoffs.

Exhibition games don't count regarding the suspension. The preliminary round is the start of the tournament, so Reinhart would miss games against Germany, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia, and be eligible to play against the United States.

If Canada makes the playoffs,he would be eligible to play.

 

[scott99]

I guess it's a matter of semantics. There are three stages: exhibition games, preliminary round (round robin against everyone in your pool), playoffs.

Exhibition games don't count regarding the suspension. The preliminary round is the start of the tournament, so Reinhart would miss games against Germany, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia, and be eligible to play against the United States.

If Canada makes the playoffs,he would be eligible to play.

They should be able to beat those teams without Reinhart.

 

[luki here]

I guess it's a matter of semantics. There are three stages: exhibition games, preliminary round (round robin against everyone in your pool), playoffs.

Exhibition games don't count regarding the suspension. The preliminary round is the start of the tournament, so Reinhart would miss games against Germany, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia, and be eligible to play against the United States.

If Canada makes the playoffs,he would be eligible to play.

cheers for clearing this up. He will miss the group stage and take part in the knock-out rounds.

 

[periferal]

Certainly. I'd say it will cost him the WJC.

It's not like Canada has hardly any Dmen to replace him. No program on the planet has more depth.

RESPECT if he they feel he's soooo good, that they take him despite the suspension.

That's exactly the point why he should make the team...Canada is deep, but not necessarily with stars like Reinhart. Canada's first three games are Germany, Czech Republic, and Slovakia - All three should be victories without Reinhart. Then game 4 is against the United States and BAM - Reinhart can play.

The possible argument against Reinhart making the team is that at best your team plays 7 games and Reinhart can only play 4 max. Even with practices prior coaches may not feel that not getting any games before the US game and then playoff rounds benefits the overall team chemistry.

If he wasn't suspended then he would be a lock to make the team, so it's good to know that talent wise we've got a blue chip prospect on D.

 

[bluechipbonzo]

LOL at anyone thinking Griff isn't on the team.

Pulock and Pelech have a shot too.

 

[edmontonislesfan]

LOL at anyone thinking Griff isn't on the team.

Pulock and Pelech have a shot too.

Canada could almost have a decent defense comprised entirely of Islander draftees: Reinhart, Pulock, Pelech, Burroughs, Graham, and Leduc.

A major deficiency would be playing the first three games with five D. Leduc detractors might see a second major deficiency.

 

[Levi Walking Bear]

November 5
Edmonton 3, Vancover 0-Reinhart, + 2, fight.

 

[InformTheMasses]

November 5
Edmonton 3, Vancover 0-Reinhart, + 2, fight.

He played good. The fight wasn't really a fight though. He put the guy in a headlock for slamming into his goalie (Jarry) who had already lost his helmet. Samuelsson came in as a third man just as the gloves were dropped. Linesman broke it up before anything got started, Samuelsson was ejected from the game.

Another solid game for Griff.

I am assuming Isles ENforcer will have the Grif scrum posted on his youtube page... he always has that stuff. If not I'll post later. It's not much.

 

[Levi Walking Bear]

Thanks,could not listen to the game because there was a phone-internet problem in the area most of yesterday and it finally went back on with only a few minutes left in the game.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

No chance of him not making it, IMO. IIRC, the preliminary games will be applied to the suspension, so I'm not sure if he'll even miss any of the actual tournament. Add to that he's expected to be Canada's #1 defenseman. No way they don't bring him along.

To my knowledge, the suspension applies to actual tournament games.

If it applies to test games, then that would shed a new light on the situation.

However, this is the first I've heard anyone mention this.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

That's exactly the point why he should make the team...Canada is deep, but not necessarily with stars like Reinhart. Canada's first three games are Germany, Czech Republic, and Slovakia - All three should be victories without Reinhart. Then game 4 is against the United States and BAM - Reinhart can play.

Good points, although what I'm getting at is that if he's German or Slovakian, he goes without a doubt despite the suspension.

He happens to come from the deepest program around, so like you mention with chemistry etc., the coaching staff may very well feel it has 8 other Dmen it can win with - right from the beginning.

We can't forget - and I'm constantly reminded of that by always visiting them - that tournaments are a totally different beast. There's a different preparation structure and different daily routines. Some thrive in them, some collapse. The psychological aspect is, in many ways, a lot heavier and more prevalent on a daily basis. These factors will be taken into account by the program.

All in all though, I think we're looking at things with blue-and-orange colored glasses. A lock for the team without the suspension, perhaps, but I'm not necessarily of the opinion that the Canadian program sees him as its #1 Dman. While in Ufa last year, there was already much (internal) concern about the troubles he was having with the international ice surface and form of refing.

Don't need to look it up - I'm not talking about press-induced or documented concern.

If he wasn't suspended then he would be a lock to make the team, so it's good to know that talent wise we've got a blue chip prospect on D.

Clearly, especially in light of him having already been on last year's team.

Again, RESPECT if he they feel he's soooo good and important, that they take him despite the suspension.

I certainly WANT to see him there - no doubt about it!

 

[blinkman360]

Good points, although what I'm getting at is that if he's German or Slovakian, he goes without a doubt despite the suspension.

He happens to come from the deepest program around, so like you mention with chemistry etc., the coaching staff may very well feel it has 8 other Dmen it can win with - right from the beginning.

We can't forget - and I'm constantly reminded of that by always visiting them - that tournaments are a totally different beast. There's a different preparation structure and different daily routines. Some thrive in them, some collapse. The psychological aspect is, in many ways, a lot heavier and more prevalent on a daily basis. These factors will be taken into account by the program.

All in all though, I think we're looking at things with blue-and-orange colored glasses. A lock for the team without the suspension, perhaps, but I'm not necessarily of the opinion that the Canadian program sees him as its #1 Dman. While in Ufa last year, there was already much (internal) concern about the troubles he was having with the international ice surface and form of refing.

Don't need to look it up - I'm not talking about press-induced or documented concern.



Clearly, especially in light of him having already been on last year's team.

Again, RESPECT if he they feel he's soooo good and important, that they take him despite the suspension.

I certainly WANT to see him there - no doubt about it!

I see him making it regardless of how the suspension works for three reasons:

1) He's one of the few players with prior WJC experience, which is something that all of these coaches value.

2) Reinhart is expected to be one of the leaders of this team, if not the Captain. Might not seem important, but I'm sure it is to TC to some degree.

3) On paper, Reinhart is probably the most reliable defenseman that TC has going into this tournament. They have a handful of nice PMD's and 2-way guys, but nothing on Reinhart's level from a pure defensive standpoint.

Regardless of how the suspension is applied, I just don't see any way this guy isn't selected.

 

[Levi Walking Bear]

Friday night, college hockey, NBC Sports Network, 8 PM.
Minnesota at Notre Dame.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Good points, although what I'm getting at is that if he's German or Slovakian, he goes without a doubt despite the suspension.

He happens to come from the deepest program around, so like you mention with chemistry etc., the coaching staff may very well feel it has 8 other Dmen it can win with - right from the beginning.

We can't forget - and I'm constantly reminded of that by always visiting them - that tournaments are a totally different beast. There's a different preparation structure and different daily routines. Some thrive in them, some collapse. The psychological aspect is, in many ways, a lot heavier and more prevalent on a daily basis. These factors will be taken into account by the program.

All in all though, I think we're looking at things with blue-and-orange colored glasses. A lock for the team without the suspension, perhaps, but I'm not necessarily of the opinion that the Canadian program sees him as its #1 Dman. While in Ufa last year, there was already much (internal) concern about the troubles he was having with the international ice surface and form of refing.

Don't need to look it up - I'm not talking about press-induced or documented concern.

Keep in mind that Boone Jenner (I believe I'm thinking of the right guy) got suspended for the first 3 or 4 games of last year's tournament for an incident in the exhibition games, yet Canada still chose to bring him along. They had the option to replace him as rosters don't need to be set until, I believe, Christmas Eve, but they brought him along anyway.

So bringing Reinhart along, despite his suspension, wouldn't be setting a precedent for Team Canada.