Mark Giordano was born in Toronto but never drafted. He spent years in the AHL and a year in Russia.You never know how long it takes for a prospect to develop.
Prospect Info: Projecting Travis Dermott
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Stephen
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Yeah, that's the official statement, but it seems rather deliberate to have passed on a player, and traded down not once but twice and then go for a reach pick at 34 with higher profile players on the board.
TheCLAM
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Time will tell, this is difference between posting on a speculative hockey website and actually making decisions at the NHL level. Development can be applied to any aspect of a organization.
What makes more sense? That they saw a way to pick up a few extra assets without taking on much risk, because they knew one of their targets would still be there? Or that they risked giving up on their top choice and hoped that none of the other 10 teams saw the potential they knew was there, all to pick up a late 2nd and 3rd?
"Profile" has nothing to do with it. There are tons of times that players get misrepresented to rankings sites, even though all 30 actual teams hold them in lower or higher regard.
Stephen
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I think they traded down to acquire more picks but had Dermott pegged as an insider's choice the whole time and scooped him up at 34 while they were ahead.
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Are you aware that the percentage of 1st round draft choices that are d-men is higher as far as becoming actual NHL players than the percentage of forwards that are picked in the 1st round?
Menzinger
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Do have the numbers/a link?
I know at least when it comes to the top 5/10, it's been easier to predict top tier forwards rather than defencemen. I'm not sure what the numbers are for making he league as a bottom pairing defencemen /bottom six forward.
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Fogelhund
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How many of the leagues top 5 scoring forwards over the last five years were drafted in the first round?
I'll bet the percentage is far higher than that of D who were nominated for the Norris.
The best forwards typically come from the first round... D is more unpredictable as far as where the elite come from.
Think Dermott will become a Giordano.
He just got the aura in him and he is a much better player than Giordano was at 18.
For real, lets come back in 7 years and see where Dermott is.
He just got the aura in him and he is a much better player than Giordano was at 18.
For real, lets come back in 7 years and see where Dermott is.
It's a bit early to say that the guy who we drafted in the second round last year will become a top 5 defenseman in the league. Especially because I'd bet you're making that projection based only on the rookie tournament.
A lot of people haven't noticed this but Dermott only has 1 year left in JR eligibility before going pro or returning as an OA player. He spent his 16 year old season in the OJHL and jumped to the OHL at 17.
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No I'm with you I like the Giordano projection. There is an efficiency, a maturity and a compete level to his game that hints he could be really great. Top pairing even.
I think at 34 is an absolute steal, and overshadowed by the joy of grabbing Bracco late. People like the flash and skill of Bracco but Dermott was the real homerun in the 2nd round. They were committed to the trade down and the gamble clearly worked I think they were more onto how good Dermott really was outside of McDavid/Strome than many of the teams. If they traded down from 34 to say 38-40 and another third I think he is gone imo.
You do know that I was joking with the Giordano thing, right.
Like I said, lets see how he is in 7 years. B/c Goalie and Dman are just hard to predict. Take Stralman for example, once he gets it, he could be top pairing D.
Giordano is pretty high to reach b/c the thing that makes him great is his determination to be the best night in and night out. Thats mainly due to being undrafted for 2-3 yrs and wanting to stick it to everyone who passed him. Don't think Dermott will have that clip on his shoulder during his development.
At this point, Dermott is better than a lot of Dman at 18 but just b/c you are top of the World at 18, it does not mean you will be at the top at 25 or 30.
Yeah, I would be quite surprised if Dermott returned to the OHL for his draft+2 season (since he would be an overager). Much more likely to turn pro in 16-17, especially with Dubas saying they want to use the ECHL more, I would guess after 1 more year in the OHL, he starts 16-17 in the ECHL and works his way up.
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He may have been a player they were high on, but trading down twice with the full intention of still drafting him seems to be something that has a high percentage of failing.
Sometimes people give these GM's far too much credit. It's just not logical to say that was there game plan. The numbers make more sense for them just moving back because they liked a few players in the area and didn't think it was a big deal to move back talent wise.
Also it's not totally true to say he was a reach.
He was at 58 by ISS, 30 by McKeens, 36 by Future Considerations, 46 by Central Scouting, and 42 by Bob McKenzie's list. In the 2nd round with the variability of prospects in ranking around the 28-50 mark, I'd say he went roughly around where he was projected, maybe a few picks higher.
But not a reach.
theIceWookie
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Giordano is an exception not a player to look at and say "we should use that example of development". He's unique, and he's a great example to use to say that development is different for every player and doesn't come in one shape, nor does it always happen before a player is 25. But I wouldn't want to use him as an example for normal player development.
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Anyone else remember before the draft, Dubas said multiple times that they needed to get a home run with their second draft pick....
Well, that alone gets me excited about Dermott. Not to put pressure on the the kid, but I think Hunter knew what he was doing with this selection, and knows the type of player Dermott can become. There have been some elite defensmen selected after the first round (PK Subban(43), Duncan Keith(54), Weber (49), Letang (62), Josi (38))
Well, that alone gets me excited about Dermott. Not to put pressure on the the kid, but I think Hunter knew what he was doing with this selection, and knows the type of player Dermott can become. There have been some elite defensmen selected after the first round (PK Subban(43), Duncan Keith(54), Weber (49), Letang (62), Josi (38))
Hero
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Very excited about this pick.
Living in Guelph I would go to every Erie game to watch McDavid for a while now and saw him play a lot.
Living in Guelph I would go to every Erie game to watch McDavid for a while now and saw him play a lot.
Dermott is my favourite pick of the whole draft. I'm thrilled with Marner, but Dermott is the guy I will be watching most closely in the next few years (aside from Nylander, who is my favourite prospect) . Smart defencemen will make the leafs so much less stressful to watch.
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Found this video of Dermott's rookie camp on readit and figured it was worth posting for those who missed the games
