GWT: Premier League round 26

[Live in the Now]

That’s definiely not a joke. It’s essentially humanly impossible to extacly know when contact is made while keeping an eye on the defensive line. Peripheral vision simply isn’t that good.

Yep. It's pretty ridiculous that it went on this long actually. There has been tens of thousands of games altered by these decisions. The history of football would look a lot different most likely. There's really only one way to fix it even though it isn't perfect in all regards. I think that when it's implemented the linesmen need to be a lot more liberal with their definition of offside and let the video decide all the super close ones after the play is over.

 

[Evilo]

I forgot your level was set by stuff like this:

When people confuse dive and embellishment, they should take a look at United's Ronaldo.

 

[Chimaera]

I mean, it’s slightly funny to me to see a United fan call out Barca for diving. Maybe the irony is lost on some.




I’m also aware that Liverpool have employed their share. Gerrard knew how to go down to get contact with the best of them.

Diving happens, and I’m glad Dele was booked. But it’s hard to complain when you can get a reward for it. It’s too hard for officials at this level to avoid not buying it at least sometime. The penalty for clearly diving is too lax.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Pretty much every commentator, pundit and TV-ref agrees with the second penalty. Puts things into perspective.

 

[Live in the Now]

Diving happens, and I’m glad Dele was booked. But it’s hard to complain when you can get a reward for it. It’s too hard for officials at this level to avoid not buying it at least sometime. The penalty for clearly diving is too lax.

I don't think it is, but until VAR is in, it's still going to alter games. A team can have a player dive in the penalty area and they get banned for three games if they win a penalty, but they still get the three points.

 

[bluesfan94]

Lost in the hubbub is that Lamela was actually offside. So now it really shouldn't have been a penalty.

If true, then this changes my opinion. I’d have to see the replay of course. Same with the first one

 

[Live in the Now]

Pretty much every commentator, pundit and TV-ref agrees with the second penalty. Puts things into perspective.

It's the part where they give a debatable penalty after the first one is totally bogus, plus the referee standing there and not giving it himself that got people angry.

 

[Chimaera]

I don't think it is, but until VAR is in, it's still going to alter games. A team can have a player dive in the penalty area and they get banned for three games if they win a penalty, but they still get the three points.

I mean, what’s the punishment. Dele got a yellow, big deal. He could have just as easily gotten a dodgy penalty and stolen three points. Kane could easily avoid Karius but doesn’t, goes down and gets a penalty.

The amount of players who do get punished is still pretty small.

 

[bluesfan94]

Hard to tell from this angle. The Liverpool player at the bottom certainly could be holding him onside

 

[hatterson]

Yep. It's pretty ridiculous that it went on this long actually. There has been tens of thousands of games altered by these decisions. The history of football would look a lot different most likely. There's really only one way to fix it even though it isn't perfect in all regards. I think that when it's implemented the linesmen need to be a lot more liberal with their definition of offside and let the video decide all the super close ones after the play is over.

I agree with letting the linesmen be much more loose in real time as long as VAR also calls back FKs and corners or extended possession.

If you’re gonna let close plays go, you still have to call back ones that lead to continued scoring chances.

With a proper VAR system you should be able to sort those things out in 10-15 seconds at most.

 

[Jussi]

When people confuse dive and embellishment, they should take a look at United's Ronaldo.

What a beauty!

 

[Deficient Mode]

I forgot your level was set by stuff like this:

GOAT.

 

[Savant]

You should look up the definition of overrule.

The ref has final authority, period. He is allowed to take input from his assistant, which he did in this case, but he’s under no obligation to follow it.

You can argue he should have trusted his initial call instead of changing it on input, but that’s fundamentally different than overruling.

Yes. The assistant over ruled him. Ref said no. Assistant said yes and did a fist pump.

 

[Live in the Now]

Yes. The assistant over ruled him.

That's not what happened.

 

[Savant]

That's not what happened.

I mean it kind of is.

 

[Live in the Now]

I mean it kind of is.

No, the ref is just an indecisive dickhead. His linesman told him they thought it was a penalty and he gave in. If he really thought it wasn't a penalty he didn't have to give anything.

 

[Savant]

No, the ref is just an indecisive ********. His linesman told him they thought it was a penalty and he gave in. If he really thought it wasn't a penalty he didn't have to give anything.

I think we have different definitions then. If the ref can’t make the call on his own because he doesn’t be know what happened that’s worse.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Some insight on both decisions by Dermot Gallagher.

 

[hatterson]

I think we have different definitions then. If the ref can’t make the call on his own because he doesn’t be know what happened that’s worse.

Are you arguing that assistants shouldn’t be able to give help on calls to the ref?

 

[Baxterman]

I was so pissed after seeing us throw away 2 easy points but seeing all the crying from Liverpool fans about the two legit calls is worth it.

Their team was by far the 2nd best team out there and deservingly lost but all they focus on is the calls. The best thing is with Klopps refusal to take responsibility for his teams losses you know he will focus on the calls and not the terrible play again from his defenders and goalie.

 

[Epictetus]

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That fist pump has nothing on good ol' Mike Dean.

 

[Live in the Now]

I was so pissed after seeing us throw away 2 easy points but seeing all the crying from Liverpool fans about the two legit calls is worth it.

Their team was by far the 2nd best team out there and deservingly lost but all they focus on is the calls. The best thing is with Klopps refusal to take responsibility for his teams losses you know he will focus on the calls and not the terrible play again from his defenders and goalie.

Look at the table buddy.

 

[Chimaera]

Sure they should give help. But I think there’s a difference between attempting to over rule the ref twice in two crucial decisions, including one in the last few seconds and just giving some help.

The ref has a clear view of the second and needs to make the right call. The side official didn’t really have the best view either.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

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Oh hey, it's the same guy who has made Spurs lose 4 points this season.

 

[Savant]

Are you arguing that assistants shouldn’t be able to give help on calls to the ref?

Define “help”.

This is why VAR is coming.