bleedblue1223
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In defense of some clubs, it's probably a difficult decision to make. It's probably best for the league to empower the refs to just suspend play altogether and have all players leave the field until the situation is handled. Once that happens enough and the league really makes a stand, then hopefully you'd start to change some behavior, at least inside the stadium.
LFC current CEO and Manager are VERY different than the previous one. They issued an apology to Evra (better late than never but naysayer say it is just for the looks) I truly believe that they would back any player that is racially abused. They have changed a lot although that stigma around Suarez even with all the apologies and mea culpa is still present.Now it is established that I am racist on this board, but I don't see how walking off would be the best solution in all cases. Should Rudiger have walked off when the police found nothing investigating the case? What if a player misunderstands something? All the Poolfans on here will remember Suarez and his "misunderstanding" (I don't believe Suarez for a second, but I can't categorically say he is also a liar).
I don't know what the right action is in every circumstance, but I don't think walking off would be the best way to handle the issue by default. Innocent until proven guilty is sometimes hard to accept, but I firmly believe in that principle. And I don't accept that the "victim" is always right. Same issue when it comes to sexual harassment etc. There is little that makes me as angry as those kind of cases, but unfortunately the victim isn't always right there either. Not sure if we will ever solve that dilemma- wanting to believe the victim while at the same time upholding that people are innocent until prove guilty.
LFC current CEO and Manager are VERY different than the previous one. They issued an apology to Evra (better late than never but naysayer say it is just for the looks) I truly believe that they would back any player that is racially abused. They have changed a lot although that stigma around Suarez even with all the apologies and mea culpa is still present.
I mean, the only correct answer is how you actually act when it happens. There are plenty of people and organizations that say the right things and then do the exact opposite.
Now it is established that I am racist on this board, but I don't see how walking off would be the best solution in all cases. Should Rudiger have walked off when the police found nothing investigating the case? What if a player misunderstands something? All the Poolfans on here will remember Suarez and his "misunderstanding" (I don't believe Suarez for a second, but I can't categorically say he is also a liar).
I don't know what the right action is in every circumstance, but I don't think walking off would be the best way to handle the issue by default. Innocent until proven guilty is sometimes hard to accept, but I firmly believe in that principle. And I don't accept that the "victim" is always right. Same issue when it comes to sexual harassment etc. There is little that makes me as angry as those kind of cases, but unfortunately the victim isn't always right there either. Not sure if we will ever solve that dilemma- wanting to believe the victim while at the same time upholding that people are innocent until prove guilty.
Liverpool’s response wasn’t that the team would walk off if there’s a racist incident, it’s that if one of their players felt they needed to walk off due to abuse, the entire team would walk off with them.
The response of United was that it would never get to that point because the protocols would be followed and players are trained and empowered to follow them.
Liverpool’s response is team unity, United’s is empowering the players though the systems in place and making sure those are followed.
Neither is wrong, they’re just different approaches.
In regards to guilty vs. innocent, that doesn’t really matter in a situation like happened in Porto. Regardless of whether a player did or didn’t receive racial abuse (there’s boatloads of evidence he did), he felt he needed to walk off the pitch and the response of his teammates was to care far more about the game itself than about the mental health of their teammate. It’s a pathetic showing to have multiple players (especially white players) attempting to physically prevent a guy from walking off the pitch because the fans are abusing him in a racial manner.
If the players are white or not is completely irrelevant for me. Are you implying because they are white they cannot relate to the situation a player that is not white is experiencing?
If Rudiger had decided to walk off, I would want every single Chelsea player walking off alongside him, and I'd be furious with anyone who didn't.
Plus you know crazy ultras of certain teams will use this as a tactic if they know teams will be walking off the pitch.Yeah, walking offs would be abused by some clubs' spectator groups. Can the games last for 6 hours with numerous walk offs? Or if the games are abandoned, how many replays a team can be play during for example CL group stages?
Plus you know crazy ultras of certain teams will use this as a tactic if they know teams will be walking off the pitch.
If the players are white or not is completely irrelevant for me. Are you implying because they are white they cannot relate to the situation a player that is not white is experiencing?