Premier League 2018-2019 Part II

Live in the Now

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Which points did Alisson win by himself?

Short memory? Numerous bail out saves against Crystal Palace and Chelsea. Against Everton was the only reason they even had a chance to win that game. Saves the match against Burnley. Has launched numerous attacks leading to goals.

Napoli match outside the league speaks for itself.

If his name was van Allison you'd be all over him.
 

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I still cannot believe they let go Clyne.

Now TAA is out for more than a month and with no decent backup. T

How could Liverpool afford to give their top depth player because he wants to play while a team like Man City can have a billion dollar sitting on the bench and not play and be "fine" with it.

This is for the championship not to make all players happy.

Milner is better as a fullback than Clyne. He should be better at RB than he was at LB, and he was one of the best LB's in the league the season he played there.

I am actually not worried about this. Liverpool's RB plays so damn high up the field that he might as well be another wing player. Nothing really changes. I am pretty sure the reason Clyne was allowed to leave is because Klopp thinks Milner belongs in the team as often as possible. This also ensures Klopp will be forced to play Fabinho all the time, which I think he's going to do anyway, but this helps.

Now, on the other hand, if Robertson got hurt like this, we'd be boned.
 

YNWA14

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Short memory? Numerous bail out saves against Crystal Palace and Chelsea. Against Everton was the only reason they even had a chance to win that game. Saves the match against Burnley. Has launched numerous attacks leading to goals.

Napoli match outside the league speaks for itself.

If his name was van Allison you'd be all over him.
If you say so. I don't remember ever feeling like he was the reason we won a game, or won points outside of making saves that most top keepers should be making (yes he's made some big saves, as he should). The Napoli match aside, which wasn't even in the league, and was one of the most dominant games Liverpool played all season and he stood tall. He's been a very refreshing change of pace for Liverpool, though the mistakes he has made have been covered up by a more competent team than most of our keepers have had in the past.

I'm not going to analyze play by play, but de Gea has done more from what I've seen. Alisson is still a top keeper.
 

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If you say so. I don't remember ever feeling like he was the reason we won a game, or won points outside of making saves that most top keepers should be making (yes he's made some big saves, as he should). The Napoli match aside, which wasn't even in the league, and was one of the most dominant games Liverpool played all season and he stood tall. He's been a very refreshing change of pace for Liverpool, though the mistakes he has made have been covered up by a more competent team than most of our keepers have had in the past.

I'm not going to analyze play by play, but de Gea has done more from what I've seen. Alisson is still a top keeper.

de Gea does more because his team sucked much more, which is why I would put him in TOTY. There is still not much difference between the keepers at all and they both steal points.
 

YNWA14

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de Gea does more because his team sucked much more, which is why I would put him in TOTY. There is still not much difference between the keepers at all and they both steal points.
Sounds like we feel mostly the same minus Alisson stealing points for Liverpool this season (again, mostly because he hasn't been in a position to do so really).
 

JeffreyLFC

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Last year Liverpool (all games)
Mignolet saves %: 59.3%, clean sheets: 7, distribution %: cannot find it but well below something like 50%
Karius saves %: 68%, clean sheets: 5, distribution %: 67%

This year Liverpool (EPL only)
Alisson saves %: 79%, clean sheets: 13, distribution %: 78.8%
Mignolet saves %: 60%, clean sheets: 0, distribution %: n/a

Huge improvement from last year. It's not just the defense but also the goal keeper. In previous years it would be inevitable to see Liverpool concede at least 1 goal this year it's the opposite. Huge improvement in that regard.
 

koyvoo

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I agree that Alisson has delivered exactly what Liverpool needed him to deliver, but c’mon, he has definitely had better quality defending in front of him than has DeGea for a majority of the season.

Alisson allows the outfield players to play with fat more confidence than in years past, but I’d also suggest that Alisson has more confidence in his outfield players than does DeGea as far as this season goes.
 

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I’ll leave it at this. I think it’s fair that Alisson is in the TOTY over DDG, but I don’t think that it means he’s the better keeper(which I don’t think Savant was saying) and I think there’s a small but clear gap between the two talent wise.
 

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I’ll leave it at this. I think it’s fair that Alisson is in the TOTY over DDG, but I don’t think that it means he’s the better keeper(which I don’t think Savant was saying) and I think there’s a small but clear gap between the two talent wise.

That’s basically how I feel.

De Gea is better, and he’s saved/earned his team more points this year, but Allison on TOTY is totally fine given the fact that he’s on pace to concede only 17 goals all season.
 
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les Habs

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Fabinho had a good game against Brighton, but coincidentally look how bad the midfield was that game. Playing Fabinho at CB was a case of robbing
Peter to pay Paul. And also, let's not pretend that we knew Fabinho at CB would work. When was the last time he played there? He didn't look great against Wolves in that position.

I won't even get into how good a match Fabinho had against Brighton considering what I've read on this forum. Either way, to say the defense has been held together by scotch tape because you're missing only one first team defender is ridiculous. What's more to discount the respective teams in front of Alisson and De Gea up until this point in the season or say something as one of your peers did that United has to go undefeated before De Gea has a say in the argument is laughable.

I could care less and I don't have a horse in the race (I don't even like De Gea), but the arguments being made for Alisson by some of you are ridiculous.
 

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Wow.

I actually thought Arsenal was turning a corner and becoming a smart club off the pitch..... apparently not.

He'd be a massive loss. I really respect that dude.

Guess there's no cure for trash ownership.

Need to wait to see who is the replacement to make a full judgment of it.
 

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Havre

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Hazard is amazing. So is Messi.

Alisson and de Gea are not the same.
 

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