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Nalens Oga

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I'm not an Everton fan but oh man I'm excited, if they get Sigurdsson and if Davies or someone takes another big step forward then they could be a top 4 team. Either way, I hope they spoil the year for one of the big clubs by finishing ahead of them even if they finish 5th or 6th.
 

YNWA14

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I'm not an Everton fan but oh man I'm excited, if they get Sigurdsson and if Davies or someone takes another big step forward then they could be a top 4 team. Either way, I hope they spoil the year for one of the big clubs by finishing ahead of them even if they finish 5th or 6th.

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I´m not going to argue it is impossible for Everton to end up in the top 4. It is possible, but I really don´t understand why that should happen.

Love Pickford. Potentially very good. So assume he lives up to his potential. Top 3-4 in the league, but he only balances out what Chelsea, Utd and Spurs already got in that case - an excellent goalie. We will see what happens with City. Everton will then have a better goalkeeper than Liverpool, but that might be the only team they got an advantage on among the other top teams.

Keane is good, but he is hardly any better than what most of the other teams in the top already got.

Klaassen is also good, but he would hardly even be on the bench for teams like Liverpool and City who are stacked in those positions.

Sandro has been talked about for years. Really don´t understand how they got him so cheap, but it is 99.999% certain he will be a significant downgrade on Lukaku.

Rooney I don´t even really bother. Not even remotely close to the quality needed for a top 4 club.

To me Everton is weaker now than they were last season because of Lukaku. With the new owners I´m sure they will become stronger longer term, but I don´t see it this year. Even if Koeman is better than Martinez and that they should improve slightly just because he now has had more time.
 

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Man I still can't believe how badly Coleman fell off from that 2013-14 season. He was godly that season.
 

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I'm not an Everton fan but oh man I'm excited, if they get Sigurdsson and if Davies or someone takes another big step forward then they could be a top 4 team. Either way, I hope they spoil the year for one of the big clubs by finishing ahead of them even if they finish 5th or 6th.

In this season, Everton but many players so excited. The championship race is increasingly attractive :yo:
Pickford, Michael Keane,Schneiderlin
 
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I´m not going to argue it is impossible for Everton to end up in the top 4. It is possible, but I really don´t understand why that should happen.

Love Pickford. Potentially very good. So assume he lives up to his potential. Top 3-4 in the league, but he only balances out what Chelsea, Utd and Spurs already got in that case - an excellent goalie. We will see what happens with City. Everton will then have a better goalkeeper than Liverpool, but that might be the only team they got an advantage on among the other top teams.

Keane is good, but he is hardly any better than what most of the other teams in the top already got.

Klaassen is also good, but he would hardly even be on the bench for teams like Liverpool and City who are stacked in those positions.

Sandro has been talked about for years. Really don´t understand how they got him so cheap, but it is 99.999% certain he will be a significant downgrade on Lukaku.

Rooney I don´t even really bother. Not even remotely close to the quality needed for a top 4 club.

To me Everton is weaker now than they were last season because of Lukaku. With the new owners I´m sure they will become stronger longer term, but I don´t see it this year. Even if Koeman is better than Martinez and that they should improve slightly just because he now has had more time.

I don't want to hate because I know coming from me it's going to sound like hate. And I do hate Everton to be fair, but that's never stopped me from rating players like Herrera and Lukaku who play for clubs I hate. They simply don't have any players at their club who are as good as the best players at top six clubs. Not even close in fact. Even Pickford who is a very good keeper didn't have a better season than Mignolet last year. Their best player is probably Gueye, who would be the seventh or eighth best player on these other teams. Or even less and in some cases way less. Sigurdsson, I have to refer to where Spurs finished when he was there. He was well beaten for that creative spot by Eriksen, so they sold him. The idea of paying 50 million for him is the most incredible thing I have ever heard.

So no offense intended but people shouldn't go overboard about Everton. They lost their only player who could start every game for a top English team, they may have added a goalkeeper who can as well. They will finish around where they finished last season. They're not going to compete for top four, and their board probably knows that, but they want to get in the Europa League as it's an avenue for them to get in the CL.
 
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Paulie Gualtieri

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I don't want to hate because I know coming from me it's going to sound like hate. And I do hate Everton to be fair, but that's never stopped me from rating players like Herrera and Lukaku who play for clubs I hate. They simply don't have any players at their club who are as good as the best players at top six clubs. Not even close in fact. Even Pickford who is a very good keeper didn't have a better season than Mignolet last year. Their best player is probably Gueye, who would be the seventh or eighth best player on these other teams. Or even less and in some cases way less. Sigurdsson, I have to refer to where Spurs finished when he was there. He was well beaten for that creative spot by Eriksen, so they sold him. The idea of paying 50 million for him is the most incredible thing I have ever heard.

So no offense intended but people shouldn't go overboard about Everton. They lost their only player who could start every game for a top English team, they may have added a goalkeeper who can as well. They will finish around where they finished last season. They're not going to compete for top four, and their board probably knows that, but they want to get in the Europa League as it's an avenue for them to get in the CL.

I do think you are underrating Sigurdsson quite alot, otherwise I agree.
 

Havre

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Offense? In general then I guess - as you are basically saying the same thing as me.
 

Adonis Creed

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I don't want to hate because I know coming from me it's going to sound like hate. And I do hate Everton to be fair, but that's never stopped me from rating players like Herrera and Lukaku who play for clubs I hate. They simply don't have any players at their club who are as good as the best players at top six clubs. Not even close in fact. Even Pickford who is a very good keeper didn't have a better season than Mignolet last year. Their best player is probably Gueye, who would be the seventh or eighth best player on these other teams. Or even less and in some cases way less. Sigurdsson, I have to refer to where Spurs finished when he was there. He was well beaten for that creative spot by Eriksen, so they sold him. The idea of paying 50 million for him is the most incredible thing I have ever heard.

So no offense intended but people shouldn't go overboard about Everton. They lost their only player who could start every game for a top English team, they may have added a goalkeeper who can as well. They will finish around where they finished last season. They're not going to compete for top four, and their board probably knows that, but they want to get in the Europa League as it's an avenue for them to get in the CL.

Tough to be worse than Mignolet....

maybe Cardinal from Nice and Guzan... he's just awfully bad
 

Live in the Now

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Mignolet had zero mistakes and won Liverpool games last year. There's a reason they aren't buying a keeper.
 

YNWA14

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Mignolet was one of the best keepers in the PL last season after he took over for Karius. His issue has always been consistency and concentration. If he can continue to remain focused and confident he's just as good as the other top keepers outside of his distribution.
 

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Havre

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Mignolet is not as good as DDG, Lloris and Courtois.

I would challenge any Pool-fan to find more than one neutral that have watched more than 5 games of football that would say Mignolet is just as good (or were for that part of the season last year). Distribution aside.

Technically he is so far behind it isn´t even funny. And I don´t mean technically as in kicking the ball, but the way he moves. He is however exceptionally good at sensing things - which balances it up too a certain extent. If Mignolet had the athleticism of DDG he would have been the best in the world.

But I would also agree that he isn´t the joke he often is made out to be. He is good, but never the less a weak spot compared to the other "top" clubs (not sure with City - we will see).
 

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Mignolet is not as good as DDG, Lloris and Courtois.

I would challenge any Pool-fan to find more than one neutral that have watched more than 5 games of football that would say Mignolet is just as good (or were for that part of the season last year). Distribution aside.

Technically he is so far behind it isn´t even funny. And I don´t mean technically as in kicking the ball, but the way he moves. He is however exceptionally good at sensing things - which balances it up too a certain extent. If Mignolet had the athleticism of DDG he would have been the best in the world.

But I would also agree that he isn´t the joke he often is made out to be. He is good, but never the less a weak spot compared to the other "top" clubs (not sure with City - we will see).

I don't disagree.

He still had a great season.
 

YNWA14

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Mignolet's best attribute might be his reflexes; not really sure what you're getting at there. He's prone to lapses in concentration but I challenge you to watch video of him and DDG last season and compare the mind blowing saves they made -- Mignolet was right up there with him. Some of the saves he made were absolutely out of this world.

Nobody is saying he's as good as they are because you have to have track record for that, but if he continues the way he did last season he can certainly throw his name in the hat with those guys at the top.
 
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Mignolet's biggest problem in 2015-16 was communication and decisiveness on set pieces. He improved markedly there last season.

He is also pretty impressive on penalties IMO.
 

Nalens Oga

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Messy podcast episode of Football Weekly from The Guardian imo.

Also, would Swansea be relegation favourites if it weren't for Huddersfield and Brighton managing to make their way up?
 

The Abusement Park

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Mignolet is not as good as DDG, Lloris and Courtois.

I would challenge any Pool-fan to find more than one neutral that have watched more than 5 games of football that would say Mignolet is just as good (or were for that part of the season last year). Distribution aside.

Technically he is so far behind it isn´t even funny. And I don´t mean technically as in kicking the ball, but the way he moves. He is however exceptionally good at sensing things - which balances it up too a certain extent. If Mignolet had the athleticism of DDG he would have been the best in the world.

But I would also agree that he isn´t the joke he often is made out to be. He is good, but never the less a weak spot compared to the other "top" clubs (not sure with City - we will see).

Where did he say he was? Mignolet had a great season last year and it was a real bounce back season for him after 15/16.

Clearly DDG, Lloris and Courtois are the class of the BPL but he has the ability to be a top 4-7 goalie if he could sort out his concentration issues.
 

Havre

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Where did he say he was? Mignolet had a great season last year and it was a real bounce back season for him after 15/16.

Clearly DDG, Lloris and Courtois are the class of the BPL but he has the ability to be a top 4-7 goalie if he could sort out his concentration issues.

In his post?

Mignolet was one of the best keepers in the PL last season after he took over for Karius. His issue has always been consistency and concentration. If he can continue to remain focused and confident he's just as good as the other top keepers outside of his distribution.
 

YNWA14

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Sure, if we take out everything else said and isolate one part of one sentence in a discussion about a player we can make it look like someone said anything, I guess.
 

Jersey Fresh

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Have a question maybe you guys can help me with. I'm planning on flying out to London sometime early 2018, then potentially heading up to Liverpool to catch another match at Anfield.

I checked the 2018 schedule, and all the games are listed as Saturday lunchtime kickoffs. My question is, are these scheduled games essentially just placeholders before they're moved around based on TV alottment, etc? Can't imagine all the matches are scheduled the same day, right?
 

Live in the Now

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Yes, they all change. They move them something like one or two months before the game, based on European participation for some weeks and things of that nature.
 

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