Movies: Predator: Killer Of Killers

[NyQuil]

Fans always care more about the consistency of the canon than the writers.

 

[Osprey]

Why are you focusing on the first two films when I'm talking about all of them?

Because the first two films established and solidified the lore, which you denied.

So is those tribes having different customs.

Killer of Killers shows the Yautja being united in the custom in question for over a thousand years, which contradicts the idea that it's a custom that's different from tribe to tribe.

 

[The Merchant]

The suspension of disbelief required to get through this movie is what put me off the most. Felt more like a Pixar take on Predator lore and not just because it's animated...just an obnoxiously happy-go-lucky tone that sets off in the second half with conflicts that get resolved in eye-rolling fashion. I adored Prey, so maybe I set my expectations too high. But I'm definitely worried about Badlands now. Hopefully Trachtenberg gets back on the rails in live action.

 

[Jussi]

Because the first two films established and solidified the lore, which you denied.

Killer of Killers shows the Yautja being united in the custom in question for over a thousand years, which contradicts the idea that it's a custom that's different from tribe to tribe.

I'm denying that those two films are the ones that lore should be defined on.

 

[Jussi]

The suspension of disbelief required to get through this movie is what put me off the most. Felt more like a Pixar take on Predator lore and not just because it's animated...just an obnoxiously happy-go-lucky tone that sets off in the second half with conflicts that get resolved in eye-rolling fashion. I adored Prey, so maybe I set my expectations too high. But I'm definitely worried about Badlands now. Hopefully Trachtenberg gets back on the rails in live action.

I do agree that the pilot part was the weakest element and required a fair bit of "going with the flow", but it didn't detract enough from the awesomeness of the first two story arcs. Also, all hair Ursa, the most bad ass female viking warrior since Lagertha.

 

[shadow1]

I'm denying that those two films are the ones that lore should be defined on.

That's your opinion. The fact is that every other Predator media is based on those much more well known films.

Unless Badlands really invests in Killer of Killers' ideas, it's not going to matter. The movie only has 22K reviews on IMDB. It'll probably triple that by the end of the year, but it's still going to be a drop in the bucket compared to the viewership of Prey and likely Badlands. Regardless of its quality, Killer of Killers is an animated film in a long running live action series, and was released with extremely short lead time post-announcement. On its own, it doesn't have the spotlight or cachet to change the series lore in any meaningful way.

 

[Jussi]

That's your opinion. The fact is that every other Predator media is based on those much more well known films.

Unless Badlands really invests in Killer of Killers' ideas, it's not going to matter. The movie only has 22K reviews on IMDB. It'll probably triple that by the end of the year, but it's still going to be a drop in the bucket compared to the viewership of Prey and likely Badlands. Regardless of its quality, Killer of Killers is an animated film in a long running live action series, and was released with extremely short lead time post-announcement. On its own, it doesn't have the spotlight or cachet to change the series lore in any meaningful way.

IMDB is largely irrelevant these days. Most movie goers don't go online to rate them. Really curious why you're that as some kind of a measurement on it's popularity. The fact it's been in the top 10 on Disney+ in my country since it's release for example is a more accurate measurement.

Some discussion about them here: What was the viewership for Predator: Killer of Killers?

 

[Osprey]

IMDB is largely irrelevant these days. Most movie goers don't go online to rate them. Really curious why you're that as some kind of a measurement on it's popularity. The fact it's been in the top 10 on Disney+ in my country since it's release for example is a more accurate measurement.

You continue to use it to make points, though. In just the last few months, you cited scores for Andor, The Last of Us, The Wheel of Time and Invincible. You can't use the site when it suits you and discredit it when it doesn't.

Also, I know that you're saying that because IMDb can't verify that people have seen content, but neither can Rotten Tomatoes once content comes to streaming, and you very recently pointed to the RT user score for Killer of Killers, which went straight to streaming.

I'm a little surprised that you're not similarly holding up the IMDb score, since 7.6/10 is actually really good. It's higher than Prey (7.1) and almost as high as the original Predator (7.8). The sample size is also about 10x greater than RT's.

 

[Jussi]

You continue to use it to make points, though. In just the last few months, you cited scores for Andor, The Last of Us, The Wheel of Time and Invincible. You can't use the site when it suits you and discredit it when it doesn't.

Also, I know that you're saying that because IMDb can't verify that people have seen content, but neither can Rotten Tomatoes once content comes to streaming, and you very recently pointed to the RT user score for Killer of Killers, which went straight to streaming.

I'm a little surprised that you're not similarly holding up the IMDb score, since 7.6/10 is actually really good. It's higher than Prey (7.1) and almost as high as the original Predator (7.8). The sample size is also about 10x greater than RT's.

IMDB is larely irrelevant but it's also noticible in the scores when there isn't review bombing. Scores are more reliable then.

Prey and Predator have also been out "a bit" longer than Predator: Killer Of Killers.

 

[shadow1]

IMDB is largely irrelevant these days. Most movie goers don't go online to rate them. Really curious why you're that as some kind of a measurement on it's popularity. The fact it's been in the top 10 on Disney+ in my country since it's release for example is a more accurate measurement.

Some discussion about them here: What was the viewership for Predator: Killer of Killers?

Yes they do. That's not even debatable. It's the same story on Letterboxd, which has a more active audience than IMDB. Killer of Killers has 79K ratings. Mission Impossible/Final Reckoning has 429K. Prey has 469K.

You linked a forum discussion that includes an article stating streaming numbers won't be available for a month. So I'm not sure why you're pushing back on IMDB stats.

Killer of Killers may be considered a success when the streaming numbers came out. But it certainly doesn't seem to be matching the popularity of Prey. And it sure as heck is not popular enough to usurp the original Predator.

 

[Osprey]

IMDB is larely irrelevant but it's also noticible in the scores when there isn't review bombing. Scores are more reliable then.

Prey and Predator have also been out "a bit" longer than Predator: Killer Of Killers.

Well, there isn't review bombing going on here, since 7.6/10 is quite good, so it's reliable and IMDb is not irrelevant in this case.

I know that they've been out longer, but Prey was at 7.2 a week after its release and it's at 7.1 almost 3 years later, so we can expect Killer of Killers to settle in at 7.4 or 7.5, both of which are still very good.

 

[Jussi]

Well, there isn't review bombing going on here, since 7.6/10 is quite good, so it's reliable and IMDb is not irrelevant in this case.

I know that they've been out longer, but Prey was at 7.2 a week after its release and it's at 7.1 almost 3 years later, so we can expect Killer of Killers to settle in at 7.4 or 7.5, both of which are still very good.

My point wasn't about the IMDB scores per se but the number of them as an indication of lack of popularity.

 

[shadow1]

 

[Osprey]

My point wasn't about the IMDB scores oer se but the number of them as an indication of lack of popularity.

I agree when it comes to absolute popularity, but the number of ratings can give a sense of relative popularity. For example, 8 days after it came out, Prey had 84K ratings on IMDb. After 8 days, Killer of Killers has 22K. From that, we can estimate that it's about a quarter as popular as Prey. The streaming service is the same and the reviews are comparable, so it's likely due to it being animated. That makes sense because I almost didn't watch it for that reason, myself. I didn't really consider watching it until shadow1 reviewed it.

 

[Jussi]

I agree when it comes to absolute popularity, but the number of ratings can give a sense of relative popularity. For example, 8 days after it came out, Prey had 84K ratings on IMDb. After 8 days, Killer of Killers has 22K. From that, we can estimate that it's about a quarter as popular as Prey. The streaming service is the same and the reviews are comparable, so it's likely due to it being animated. That makes sense because I almost didn't watch it for that reason, myself. I didn't really consider watching it until shadow1 reviewed it.

Prey was released when the pandemic was still very rampant and people were willing to spend time home. Also, and more importantly, a live action movie. Predator: Killer Of Killers is an animated movie aimed for adults. Important distinction.

 

[shadow1]

I agree when it comes to absolute popularity, but the number of ratings can give a sense of relative popularity. For example, 8 days after it came out, Prey had 84K ratings on IMDb. After 8 days, Killer of Killers has 22K. From that, we can estimate that it's about a quarter as popular as Prey. The streaming service is the same and the reviews are comparable, so it's likely due to it being animated. That makes sense because I almost didn't watch it for that reason, myself. I didn't really consider watching it until shadow1 reviewed it.

I gave it the shadow1 stamp of...mediocrity.

Prey was released when the pandemic was still very rampant and people were willing to spend time home. Also, and more importantly, a live action movie. Predator: Killer Of Killers is an animated movie aimed for adults. Important distinction.

Prey came out in August 2022. Spiderman made $2B theatrically with a December 2021 release. Theaters were already back. I was super careful with COVID due to cancer in the family. But I remember sitting in a packed house for the 40th Anniversary of The Thing in June 2022.

Yes, Prey was a live action movie. Killer of Killers was an animated film that doesn't have the same level of widespread appeal. That's the point!

 

[Jussi]

I gave it the shadow1 stamp of...mediocrity.



Prey came out in August 2022. Spiderman made $2B theatrically with a December 2021 release. Theaters were already back. I was super careful with COVID due to cancer in the family. But I remember sitting in a packed house for the 40th Anniversary of The Thing in June 2022.

Yes, Prey was a live action movie. Killer of Killers was an animated film that doesn't have the same level of widespread appeal. That's the point!

Live action vs animation is never a fair comparison. What adult aimed animated movie on a streaming service only, gets much attention anyway?

As the thread I posted bought up, Nielsen rating for US come out in about a month, so we'll know the US viewership numbers. People in the thread alreay mentioned that it was number one on Disney+ in the UK on the week of release and was around the top here too.

 

[Osprey]

Prey came out in August 2022. Spiderman made $2B theatrically with a December 2021 release. Theaters were already back. I was super careful with COVID due to cancer in the family. But I remember sitting in a packed house for the 40th Anniversary of The Thing in June 2022.

That was also the Summer that Top Gun: Maverick made $1.5B at the box office and only 4 months before Avatar: The Way of Water made $2.3B. People were eager to get out of the house after being cooped up for most of 2020 and 2021.

Prey was released when the pandemic was still very rampant and people were willing to spend time home. Also, and more importantly, a live action movie. Predator: Killer Of Killers is an animated movie aimed for adults. Important distinction.

That was my point, that it's less popular because it's an animated movie.

Live action vs animation is never a fair comparison. What adult aimed animated movie on a streaming service only, gets much attention anyway?

There are no unfair comparisons, only unfair conclusions. I compared the two and concluded that one was less popular because it was animated, which you seem to agree with, so it feels like a fair conclusion.

 

[Jussi]

That was my point, that it's less popular because it's an animated movie.

There's no such thing as an unfair comparison, only an unfair conclusion. I compared the two and concluded that animated movies of this sort aren't as popular as live action versions, which you agree with, so it seems like my conclusion was fair.

Aaaaaaahhhhhh. Got it.

 

[shadow1]

Live action vs animation is never a fair comparison. What adult aimed animated movie on a streaming service only, gets much attention anyway?

As the thread I posted bought up, Nielsen rating for US come out in about a month, so we'll know the US viewership numbers. People in the thread alreay mentioned that it was number one on Disney+ in the UK on the week of release and was around the top here too.

This has already been addressed.

Regardless of its quality, Killer of Killers is an animated film in a long running live action series, and was released with extremely short lead time post-announcement. On its own, it doesn't have the spotlight or cachet to change the series lore in any meaningful way.

The point is not that comparatively low viewership = bad. It's what I said previously, which is that it doesn't have enough spotlight for these lore changes to become widely known, unless they're carried into a more popular entry (namely Badlands).

Regardless, it's a legit criticism. Just like 20 years ago, when we were complaining about AvP being set in Antarctica.