Movies: Predator: Killer Of Killers

[Jussi]

There was no difference in thinking for over a thousand years and, then, sometime between 1942 (The Bullet) and 1997 (Predator 2), a new king decided to end a thousand-year tradition and start letting victors like Harrigan go free with prizes (the old pistol)?

Again, it could be a different tribe over the time. The lore is still very much evolving in this franchise.

 

[shadow1]

Its a movie. Dont bother about some logic.

So I’m not supposed to judge it critically? To heck with that.

 

[Osprey]

Again, it could be a different tribe over the time. The lore is still very much evolving in this franchise.

How could it be different tribes when all of the captives ended up in the same place? We're clearly led to believe that the same society of Yautja captured all of them.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

The Predators are a great regular season species but they choke in the playoffs every time.

 

[Jussi]

How could it be different tribes when all of the captives ended up in the same place? We're clearly led to believe that the same society of Yautja captured all of them.

It could be a standard holding cell for all tribes.

 

[Osprey]

It could be a standard holding cell for all tribes.

They're not really tribes, then, but rather all part of the same society with the same custom for over a thousand years. That goes against your theory that they all have different customs and ways of thinking.

 

[Jussi]

They're not really tribes, then, but rather all part of the same society with the same custom for over a thousand years. That goes against your theory that they all have different customs and ways of thinking.

I'm not saying they all have different customs, but some differences. I mean the lore has not been set in set mold in the previous movies. Danny Glover was let go in Predator 2, In Predators, tehy're collecting humans, In Prey they came back for the native female warrior.

 

[Osprey]

I'm not saying they all have different customs, but some differences. I mean the lore has not been set in set mold in the previous movies. Danny Glover was let go in Predator 2, In Predators, tehy're collecting humans, In Prey they came back for the native female warrior.

The lore was set by the first few movies. The Yautja hunt humans, have honor and respect a worthy adversary. Their honor is why they don't kill unarmed humans (like Anna in Predator) and their respect for worthy adversaries is why they let Harrigan go after presenting him with a trophy and why they never came back for him or Dutch. That was the lore for decades and Trachtenberg is turning it upside down. You can point out that the Yautja captured humans in Predators, but that was only a slight change from the first two movies because the humans were still being hunted for the first time, just on a planet other than Earth. In Predator: Killer of Killers, the Yautja have been, for over a thousand years, capturing humans who have already survived hunts and defeated Yautja and taking them back to the Yautja homeworld to fight against each other in a colosseum for entertainment rather than sport. That's quite a change to the lore and to the Yautja, who now appear to have no honor because they'll enslave you even if you win, which lessens their mystique and makes them more like every other alien enemy.

 

[Jussi]

The lore was set by the first few movies. The Yautja hunt humans, have honor and respect a worthy adversary. Their honor is why they don't kill unarmed humans (like Anna in Predator) and their respect for worth adversaries is why they let Harrigan go after presenting him with a trophy and why they never came back for him or Dutch. That was the lore for decades and Trachtenberg is turning it upside down. You can point out that the Yautja captured humans in Predators, but that was only a slight change from the first two movies because the humans were still being hunted for the first time, just on a planet other than Earth. In Predator: Killer of Killers, the Yautja have been, for over a thousand years, capturing humans who have already survived hunts and defeated Yautja and taking them back to the Yautja homeworld to fight against each other in a colosseum for entertainment rather than sport. That's quite a change to the lore and to the Yautja, who now appear to have no honor because they'll enslave you even if you win, which lessens their mystique and makes them more like every other alien enemy.

The ones who survive battles against each other, have to fight the king, which is proof for them of fighting against a worthy opponent. Again, it seems Badlands will go more into the habits/ways of the race, so will know more. The lore in general is based on such a small sample of largely an uneven series of movies, that I don't really give a f***.

 

[shadow1]

The ones who survive battles against each other, have to fight the king, which is proof for them of fighting against a worthy opponent. Again, it seems Badlands will go more into the habits/ways of the race, so will know more. The lore in general is based on such a small sample of largely an uneven series of movies, that I don't really give a f***.

There's nearly 40 years of lore, well established across comics, film, and video games.

Judging by the paltry 20K reviews on IMDB, most of the people checking out Killer of Killers are fans of the franchise. So I reject the notion of discarding existing lore based on the percieved quality of previous films.

My complaints with it aren't solely tired to series continuity. In isolation, the wrap around story makes little sense.

 

[Jussi]

There's nearly 40 years of lore, well established across comics, film, and video games.

Judging by the paltry 20K reviews on IMDB, most of the people checking out Killer of Killers are fans of the franchise. So I reject the notion of discarding existing lore based on the percieved quality of previous films.

My complaints with it aren't solely tired to series continuity. In isolation, the wrap around story makes little sense.

Is it though? Who decides what lore is canon?

 

[shadow1]

Is it though? Who decides what lore is canon?

Are you asking if Predator lore is established, or am I misunderstanding?

20th Century owns the franchise, including the video games and recently the comics. They made Killer of Killers too, so I'm not questioning if this film is canon. Instead I'm criticizing that this lore is contradictory to four decades worth of established information about the Yautja/Predator.

 

[Jussi]

Are you asking if Predator lore is established, or am I misunderstanding?

20th Century owns the franchise, including the video games and recently the comics. They made Killer of Killers too, so I'm not questioning if this film is canon. Instead I'm criticizing that this lore is contradictory to four decades worth of established information about the Yautja/Predator.

What I'm saying that "information" is inconsistent in the films.

 

[Osprey]

What I'm saying that "information" is inconsistent in the films.

So, why won't you acknowledge that this film is inconsistent with past films? Why are you fighting that and imagining things like there being different tribes and kings to try to make sense of the lore changes and also hoping that Badlands makes them make sense?

 

[shadow1]

What I'm saying that "information" is inconsistent in the films.

Such as?

 

[Jussi]

So, why won't you acknowledge that this film is inconsistent with past films? Why are you fighting that and imagining things like there being different tribes and kings to try to make sense of the lore changes and also hoping that Badlands makes them make sense?

I'm saying the past films were already inconsistent. And Predators literally hinted at there being more than one tribes.

In the "Predators" movie, there are four distinct Predator tribes or clans identified: the "Classic Predator," the "Tracker Predator," the "Falconer Predator," and the "Berserker Predator". These represent different variations within the Yautja race, with the Berserker and Falconer Predators being larger, genetically enhanced versions, and the Tracker Predator controlling quadrupedal hunting animals. The Classic Predator is a more traditional Yautja, similar to the creature in the original "Predator" movie.

 

[shadow1]

I'm saying the past films were already inconsistent. And Predators literally hinted at there being more than one tribes.

Predators expanded the lore, Killer of Killers changed the lore.

 

[Jussi]

Predators expanded the lore, Killer of Killers changed the lore.

Both expanded a lore which was never set in stone.

 

[shadow1]

Both expanded a lore which was never set in stone.

Killer of Killers changed the lore. Yes it was set in stone. The Predators being predators was set in stone.

 

[Jussi]

Killer of Killers changed the lore. Yes it was set in stone. The Predators being predators was set in stone.

Predators having multiple tribes was also set in stone then.

 

[Osprey]

I'm saying the past films were already inconsistent.

Both expanded a lore which was never set in stone.

The first two films are not inconsistent. Both feature predators that visit Earth when and where it's hot to hunt humans for sport on foot in "jungle" environments and the human victors go free. Killer of Killers has a predator that goes to the frigid North, another predator that hunts in his spaceship and all of the human victors are captured, preserved for hundreds of years and then forced to fight each other for entertainment. That's not expanding the lore. That's changing it.

Predators having multiple tribes was also set in stone then.

That's why we're not criticizing the fact that each of the predators in the three stories is distinctly different. That's no explanation for the wraparound story, though, because each tribe took part in the same sport for over a thousand years. If an upcoming movie were to present the Yautja as peaceful and wanting to be friends with humans, would you also defend that because maybe a leader of a peaceful tribe became king of all Yautja? You can't just excuse any ridiculous lore change from now on by attributing it to a new king.

 

[shadow1]

Predators having multiple tribes was also set in stone then.

Again, that's was an expansion of the lore. It added on top of what was already there, without changing established information.

 

[Jussi]

The first two films are not inconsistent.

Why are you focusing on the first two films when I'm talking about all of them?

 

[Jussi]

Again, that's was an expansion of the lore. It added on top of what was already there, without changing established information.

So is those tribes having different customs.

 

[shadow1]

So is those tribes having different customs.

The Yautja are an honor based species. There is too far a middle ground between what we know --> capturing their prey, freezing them in suspended animation for decades/centuries, reanimating them to kill each other at the threat of death (collar explosive), all while other Yautja cheer on from the bleachers.

It's fanfic-level writing, IMO.