PP instead of penalty shot?!

[Plural]

I also think it's a good idea to give power play opportunity if the PS is unsuccessful. Crosbyfan made a good point also.

 

[SladeWilson23]

I have question. If a team gets a penalty shot while already on a power play, does that mean if they score the original powerplay ends?

 

[Plural]

I have question. If a team gets a penalty shot while already on a power play, does that mean if they score the original powerplay ends?

If they score on the PS, I don't think it effects the PP.

 

[cujoflutie]

I have question. If a team gets a penalty shot while already on a power play, does that mean if they score the original powerplay ends?

Negative. Penalty shots do not affect it.


so the penalty shot conversion rate is roughly one third, that is roughly twice as successful as a powerplay. As mentioned the only way a team would opt for the PP would be if they are winning late in the game or would have a plug taking the shot.

 

[Paxon]

Should be a 2 min penalty if the penalty shot is unsuccessful. Why reward a guy for tripping someone on a breakaway, by giving back the same opportunity but no rebound or follow up opportunities?

I've thought this for a long time. At the very least teams should have the choice between a PP and penalty shot like the IIHF rules have it (IIRC).

Not as certain on this one, but I tend to think that if you score on a delayed penalty you should still get the PP. Like in basketball if you're fouled and still make the shot, you get a single free throw to actually punish the team for fouling you. I'm not married to the notion but it's worth examining at least.

 

[BostonBruins92]

I hate when a team is on the PK and is awarded a PS. If it was called a 2 minute minor, the PK would have essentially been negated. Because it was called a PS, the PK still remains after the PS.

 

[aemoreira1981]

Good idea. I would also add: with less than 1 minute to go in the third period, if the penalized team is leading by a goal, and the penalty shot is missed, the game will be reset back to 1 minute. This would also apply to the end of overtime (less than 1 minute to go).

All such power plays would be 1 minute or less if the team on the power play scores.

 

[Buck Aki Berg]

Should be a 2 min penalty if the penalty shot is unsuccessful. Why reward a guy for tripping someone on a breakaway, by giving back the same opportunity but no rebound or follow up opportunities?

It took me a minute to come around on this one, but this actually makes sense. On any other tripping/hooking/holding penalty, the team about to receive the PP has the benefit of playing with the delayed penalty in effect, which doesn't exist under the current rules for a penalty shot.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Shootouts still have higher percentage of goals than PPs anyways. I'd take the penalty shot every time as a coach.

It all depends on who gets the PS.

Hagelin, Kreider, Glass, Fast, Miller.... I'd prefer the 2 minute PP
Nash, Zuccarello, Brassard... Give me the PS

 

[zzoo]

Should be a 2 min penalty if the penalty shot is unsuccessful. Why reward a guy for tripping someone on a breakaway, by giving back the same opportunity but no rebound or follow up opportunities?

Great ! I like the idea, but 1 minute of penalty seems more reasonable.

 

[Braunbaer]

I'd also like to see an additional PP in case a goal isn't scored.
You both commit a foul AND prevent the breakaway, so why only give the other team the breakaway back?

The basic idea of a penalty is to send the offending player to the box. You do not reward a team with a PP, but you punish one player.
He never has to sit if he trips some guy on a breakaway.

If I was a defender in that situation I'd always try to foul the opponent.

 

[Samzilla]

Should be a 2 min penalty if the penalty shot is unsuccessful. Why reward a guy for tripping someone on a breakaway, by giving back the same opportunity but no rebound or follow up opportunities?

Good point. I actually like the idea of allowing rebound attempts on penalty shots more than awarding an entire power play afterwards.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

How about this: The guy who gets the penalty shot has to take the penalty shot and If he misses there's two minute powerplay. That would be still okay, but more exciting imo.(Normally they would always use their best penalty shooter obv, they should do the same in football, It's boring to see Ronaldo take every penalty).

 

[TOGuy14]

The penalty shot success rate over the past ten seasons (since the shootout was introduced) is 34%.

The penalty shot success rate over the ten seasons prior to that is 32%.

If goalies are getting used to penalty shots, why is the success rate going up?

(Don't forget that shooters are getting used to penalty shots, too)

This.

Penalty shot converts to goals at a far higher frequency than PP would. More beneficial even if it seems like a one off opportunity.

 

[Bankerguy]

Off the top of my head, without looking at any stats...i think that is a BAD idea.


PP success rate is like 25%, penalty shot success rate is like 40-43% i think

So the only reason to choose the PP instead of a PS would be to control the play at the end of the game for the final 2 minutes or something like that (holding on to a lead)

 

[chuck1984]

One of the main reasons I made this post was because of the time left. Say my team is up 1-0 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd and one of my players gets taken down on a break away and gets a PS, I'd rather have the PP and be 5 on 4 (or 5 on 5 with an empty net) than have a penalty shot, no matter who the shooter was...

 

[chuck1984]

Off the top of my head, without looking at any stats...i think that is a BAD idea.


PP success rate is like 25%, penalty shot success rate is like 40-43% i think

So the only reason to choose the PP instead of a PS would be to control the play at the end of the game for the final 2 minutes or something like that (holding on to a lead)

that's exactly what I wrote RIGHT after you...(but I hadn't seen your msg)

 

[SladeWilson23]

If they score on the PS, I don't think it effects the PP.

Negative. Penalty shots do not affect it.

Thanks guys. I figured it was like that since it wouldn't make much sense to have have 1 goal nullify two penalties.

 

[SladeWilson23]

I hate when a team is on the PK and is awarded a PS. If it was called a 2 minute minor, the PK would have essentially been negated. Because it was called a PS, the PK still remains after the PS.

Yea agreed.

 

[crazychimp]

What about putting in your best shooter for that penalty shot if a guy a like D. Sedin gets tripped on a breakaway you think I want him taking that shot? **** NO! I'd rather take the pp instead.